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Help me help her.
« on: February 05, 2013, 12:18:02 PM »
I have a friend who I care very much about. She's 19.
She grew up with abusive neglectful parents who used and sold meth. During that time, when she was 12 she ended up having a boyfriend who was even more so messed up and was 18. He raped her, strangled her, and nearly drowned her to death.
Now she has PTSD from it and it's pretty bad. I've seen her jolt when she's sleeping from night terrors and watched her dissociate out of the blue in mid conversation and have her come back not knowing at all what she was saying.
She often has flashbacks and has a hard time focusing on detailed things like braiding a bracelet because it eventually leads to her worried about breathing.

The parents were eventually raided and she was sent to foster care for a bit. She now still lives with her parents again and has never told her useless parents about being raped as, how can you trust one abuser over another?
Additionally, her real father has stopped talking to her after she tried to commit suicide.

She can't get a job because of her PTSD and other anxiety issues because she's not really able to handle that, despite being on some anti anxiety and SSRI medication.

She also doesn't have insurance, can't drive and essentially has no opportunity to get help herself and her parents are too poor and useless to help. She essentially has no way out of the hell she is in unless there is someone to help her.

I would like to help her, just because she is a great friend to me and really important. It makes me sad to see her suffer so much for nothing of her fault.

I'm not sure how to help her. I don't have the money to pay for EMDR sessions so she can get treatment for her PTSD and get other therapy she will probably need.

Please think of some ideas that would allow me to help her.
I'm just brain storming, but perhaps I could possibly get some financial  help from everyone here?
Perhaps someone could buy The Vespiary painting, and we could have some paid subscriptions for this site to help raise money for her?

Also perhaps I could sell prints of the painting and other paintings to raise some money if anyone is interested?

I'm strapped for money right now. I've spent most all of it trying to start my new business and owe some one else a bit of money.

I'll eventually help her regardless but I'm impatient. Thinking about the whole situation males me sick and sad. She's had such an awful life because of her broken parents and while I don't totally have my shit together I've had such great caring parents that have allowed me to explore everything from having pet salamanders to making rocket propellant, nitrocellulose, growing psychoactive plants and creating a drug forum and exploring business ventures that sell mushroom growers. It's so sad to see someone like her blown on the steel breeze and since me and her are good friends I'd like to think there is some way I can pay my decent life forward to help her in some way. But it's bullshit there isn't even a cure for PTSD. Only treatments that lesson it and manage it.

I don't know. I want to help but I don't know how. Unless I can possibly convince her to get some treatments and pay for it.
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« Reply #1 on: February 05, 2013, 01:14:09 PM »
My heart goes out to your friend, Vesp. 

I am not sure what country you live in, but where I am there is a group called MHMR, and they deal primarily with mental health, and moreso those that cannot afford it.  They give the full gambit of care even up to hospitalization if the problem is great enough.  They have psychologists as well as psychiatrists in house, and they even have social workers that will help her get a Disability Check and a place to live if that is needed.  They will prescribe medication, as well as pay for it if she doesn't have the means. 

Unfortunately, due to peoples misuse of the system, they have stopped prescribing many useful medications (I.e. benzos, amphetamines, most CS medications), but there are alternatives. 

The beauty part is that no funding is needed at all.  As long as she is willing to go in and fill out the paperwork, and meet with their people.for the screening process, she is guaranteed to get care.  It just takes a week or two.  I hope this helps.
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« Reply #2 on: February 05, 2013, 01:38:43 PM »
I've looked into that. She could get help if she pressed charges against the rapist but she isn't willing to do that. I've talked to people who can help and know who can help and the best I can do is is lower the payment of the treatment to ~$50 per session when the regular price is $120

I'm still looking into other options but since she isn't willing or really able to go to court and press charges not much is able to happen.
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« Reply #3 on: February 05, 2013, 03:55:39 PM »
It's always unfortunate to come across an aching soul or breaking heart. I don't profess to know much, but if the gall isnt willing to split with the past, there will be a continuation of depression. If she isnt willing to go to therapy or overcome it that way for one reason or another I'd like to suggest a different option though it may not be conventional.

I know from personal experience that in my life travel itself has opened up my perceptions and revealed as many truths withing myself as psycadelics have. It forces one to live in the moment and apreciate their new surrounding inspiring change as well. At one point in my life i was strugglin with depression and only a week of responsibility free vacationing could clear my head and free me of it. Like i said it may not be conventional for the situation, but it's just my contribution on the matter...

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« Reply #4 on: February 05, 2013, 05:03:33 PM »
Two clinical reviews are attached that may help in understanding various ways to assist your friend   ;) There' a lot more articles available  8)
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« Reply #5 on: February 05, 2013, 07:11:33 PM »
Here in my country we have such a safety net that if the open psychiatry clinics cant wont or simply are fully booked for months then we have the emergency psychiatric ward but they are so full so one almost has to stand there with racors deep into their wrists.
What then happens is that those people that give her the money she survives on(social security office, and they pay of course) they will make a refferal for the person at a closed psychiatric clinic so the person gets in. In there one meets psychiatrists, doctors terapuets and whatever....

If a person dont want to go through the hole machinery wich can be quite hard when your not at your best then there is a final way for help, unfortounately it wont come with any drugs but therapy.
You go to the nearest university where therapists, psychiatrists and such are in the making. A couple(third or forth i think) of years into the studies they will have to have sessions for practice and also to hold sessions and they are extremely glad to have anyone else then their younger students or friends. This is where you come in, go to a university if close by and talk to them at the psychiatric department and see if you can get one thats almost finished with their studies.....
Of course i may be so that this does not work in your country, but here it does...
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« Reply #6 on: February 05, 2013, 11:45:39 PM »
Some more relevant articles are attached, including one on evidence collection for future prosecution  8)
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« Reply #7 on: February 10, 2013, 03:23:18 PM »
hxxp://www.oprah.com/health/PTSD-and-MDMA-Therapy-Medical-Uses-of-Ecstasy
hxxp://www.oprah.com/health/MDMA-Therapy-Jessica-Winters-Report-Ecstasy-and-PTSD

Many on these forums have PTSD, simultaneously caused by and leading to their time spent making and and distributing controlled substances, and it's probably no coincidence that MDMA is so popular in communities such as this one. Psychedelics are far more of a gamble than MDMA for PTSD, as environment becomes profoundly important, and there's a risk of it going horribly wrong and burning in a traumatic memory.

As again, many here probably already know, PTSD is a real bitch, and can linger in the subconscious for years, accompanied by all the repressed memories - ones not recalled even with conscious attempts to remember them - and then explode back through the surface years later, without warning.

Whether any of the treatments pursued by psychiatrists are terribly useful seems to be a bit of an open question. PTSD is notoriously treatment resistant.
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« Reply #8 on: February 10, 2013, 05:14:09 PM »

Whether any of the treatments pursued by psychiatrists are terribly useful seems to be a bit of an open question. PTSD is notoriously treatment resistant.


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« Reply #9 on: February 16, 2013, 01:06:54 PM »
If she isnt willing to help herself there is little you can do other than to try to be a good friend ..... BUT ...... that can be hard ....... youll have to be very carefull and be objective and neutral .

Without wanting to be an arsehole ....... unless you have seen her medical files and / or been to a doctor with her you dont know for sure what problems she has .

Anyone stupid enough to recomend or try to self medicate her is a dangerous idiot and she needs to be protected from people like that .

Vesp ..... i understand you and i feel for you ...... your a good guy ....... BUT ...... you cant take the weight of the world on your shoulders ........ and ..... one has to be very very carefull trying to help people with mental problems ........... sometimes well ment acts make situations like hers worse ......... sometimes the wrong type of sympathy can make the situation worse to .

The only thing that might help that girl is profesional medical help .

I wish her and you well .

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« Reply #10 on: February 16, 2013, 04:07:59 PM »
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Anyone stupid enough to recomend or try to self medicate her is a dangerous idiot and she needs to be protected from people like that .

Having suffered from PTSD of many causes - got to disagree here. MDMA can be a lifesaver - literally - so long as it's tested and known to be free of other drugs (95% pure isn't good enough when that last 5% is meth, as it's so much more potent), and only used 1-2 times in the right company.
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« Reply #11 on: February 16, 2013, 04:17:45 PM »
Please try to be objective . MDMA can be a help as can psilocybin and beta blockers BUT only in certain cases . If you havent seen that girls medical records or been to a doctor with her you do not know for sure what her problems are .


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« Reply #12 on: February 16, 2013, 04:22:19 PM »
Please try to be objective . MDMA can be a help as can psilocybin and beta blockers BUT only in certain cases . If you havent seen that girls medical records or been to a doctor with her you do not know for sure what her problems are .
Very true.  Unless you're a diagnostician/clinician by trade you really shouldn't be using her brain like a guinea pig with drugs.  Are you familiar with the CYP450 inductions and inhibitions caused by the drugs she's using?  Based on that alone, it's simply not safe.

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« Reply #13 on: February 16, 2013, 04:51:56 PM »
Thanks akcom ..... if i had an ego it would now have a hard on ......

Some other things we should be clear about ---- >

Do all people with mental problems tell other people the truth about them / their diagnosis and the reasons behind the diagnosis ?

Do the people who tell the truth about their mental problems tell all of the truth or only part/s of it ?

Do people with mental problems know the whole of their diagnosis ? Psychiatrists and psychologists dont usualy tell a person with mental problems everything that they know and / or think . Unless a person has read their medical files there is a very good chance that they dont have the full picture .

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« Reply #14 on: February 16, 2013, 09:39:21 PM »
Did not recommend psychedelics, only clean MDMA, which was declared safer than horseback riding by a scientist tasked in England with evaluating the hazards of various illegal drugs. Psychedelics can backfire, already stated this.

Think what you will, but Assyl has seen self-treatment save marriages and lives when used responsibly and sparingly (only 1-2x). Someone with bad PTSD is genuinely at risk of suicide, and the only treatment that's actually known to be effective is illegal. Talk therapy? Good luck. Abstaining can be a risk in itself.

Her medical records very well may not reveal important details relating to her PTSD anyway. People with the disorder are usually not honest with their doctors, as they cannot even be honest with themselves. It is too much for them to face, and it's all repressed in the subconscious - that's where MDMA comes in. It allows them to explore past traumas without the intense pain (and self-hatred) that usually stops them dead in their tracks.

Oprah Magazine, of all news sources (Oprah famously spread the lies about MDMA eating holes in your brain), is now touting the benefits of MDMA. The journalist even ingested it herself at the end of the article and wrote about the experience. It's being used in therapy sessions for PTSD in a number of countries, and it's being used in trials in the US for combat-related PTSD. Results have been very positive so far. So long as it's clean (and white crystals do not mean it is), the dosage selected is appropriate, the patient does not have cardiovascular health issues, and they are not taking medications that could interact with MDMA, the risk of harm is practically nonexistent. Of course, it would be ideal to use it in the presence of a mental health professional, but sadly, at least in the US today, that is hardly an option.
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« Reply #15 on: February 17, 2013, 06:06:51 AM »
Yeah, my plan wasn't to try to treat her myself! That's just silly.

Let me, perhaps quote the more important part:

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I'm not sure how to help her. I don't have the money to pay for EMDR sessions, so she can get treatment for her PTSD and get other therapy she will probably need.

Please think of some ideas that would allow me to help her.
I'm just brain storming, but perhaps I could possibly get some financial  help from everyone here?
 

I would like to sell The Vespiary painting to fund her treatments.
I found a place that does EMDR treatments for $85 per session. Probably would require 15 or more treatments - which is like $1,275+

All I have right now is ~27.5 bitcoins, and $1,368 dollars trapped in Paypal for 180 days.  Apparently by selling certain type of legal seeds, or who knows what the fuck violated something in their 35 page TOS, and I am banned for life.  (Seriously, for life)

I'm thinking I'm going to try to figure out some sort of source of funding, like churches, or possibly some sort of victim funding if I can get that to work out. 
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« Reply #16 on: February 17, 2013, 11:50:59 AM »
Vesp ...... are you sure that your friend has PTSD and only that ? = Do you know it for a fact ? Have you seen proof or at least been told directly by her doctor ...... and has she had a second opinion ?

Its a lot of money for psychotherapy plus sugestion ........ have you compared it to the effectiveness of other psychotherapy treatments and the prices ?

EDIT - Is it the doctor that has diagnosed her as having PTSD that is offering the treatment ? Whatever ..... if she hasnt had a second opinion from another doctor she should get one before you sell both your kidneys .

EDIT - I saw a documentry a few weeks ago about PTSD treatment useing psychotherapy , sugestion and beta-blockers wich was said to be very good . Info about beta-blockers and anxiety but not that treatment ---- > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sympatholytic#Beta_Blockers

Edit - Psychotherapy , sugestion and beta-blocker treatment info ---- > http://www.mentalhelp.net/poc/view_doc.php?type=doc&id=28479

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« Reply #17 on: February 17, 2013, 07:09:05 PM »
The zoning out mid sentence sounds very much like Absentee seizures and if there was a lot of physical abuse its not unlikely that there was brain trauma to go along with everything else.

I would honestly suggest Xanax and see how that works but I agree with the comments made right now nothing beats MDMA as a long term solution. I feel Xanax would help her be more like herself.

Im willing to bet she enjoys drinking so that could be an indicator on how she would respond to Benzodiazepine therapy.

I am highly fond of Opiates but there addiction potential can cause great concern long term.
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« Reply #18 on: February 18, 2013, 12:38:48 AM »
@ Sedit ..... that was the stupidest post i`ve seen from you ....... so i gave you a minus point .

@ The thread ....... Sympathy for a patient is good but the wrong type of action at the wrong time can be disasterous .

There is a good reason why  we have doctors and train them for years ..... and some amateure chemists that havent got that training and experience a qualifyed doctor has should not be trying to make long distance telepathic diagnosis on patients or advise them or others to dose them with drugs .

SO to all of you .... grow the fuck up and stop adviseing people to dose themselves and / or others and try to separate your emotions , your egos and your own personal psychology from this and other situations like it  ...... and  ......... start to think and act like responsible adults . IF you dont you are a danger to yourselves , the comunity and others .

Its no wonder that some of you have had or get trouble with the pigs if you " think " , talk and act like some people here have .



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« Reply #19 on: February 18, 2013, 02:02:36 AM »
No, she doesn't drink, doesn't do any drugs. She is very against them. However, she is on some SSRI and possibly other things.

Mostly her issues stem from PTSD.
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