I might be able to procure a high quality fake driver's license soon from a friend of a friend. What would give me the best bang for my buck if I want to use it to help me purchase suspicious chemicals? I was thinking it might be useful if I wanted to buy from a local chem shop or to set up a P.O box.
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carbonated
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Sydenhams chorea
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I still wouldn't use P.O. boxes when ordering watched chemicals.
akcom
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Don't use a PO Box, use a private mailbox service. Order with a prepaid visa, you're golden.
zgoat65
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In the US, the UPSstore will recieve and even sign for packages that require signature. Setting up a box at such a place using a fake id might prove useful .............depending on WHAT exactly you are ordering. I wouldn't order BMK from China and have it sent there (or anywhere for that matter), but threshold amounts of multi-use chemicals or essential oils should bee fine.
Mango
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Don't use a PO Box, use a private mailbox service. Order with a prepaid visa, you're golden.
Beware of terms and conditions, especially regarding opening a package. Some needs a warrant, maybe some don't.
zgoat65
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I assure u that you won't get on LE's radar because they rummaged through your mail(your trash, maybe, but not your mail). If you made a conspicuous purchase, say via Ebay, and the purchase gets reported, then they will merely show up with the unopened package. They don't have to open it, you were reported by the folks you ordered from.
But if you are diverting chemicals from other countries, then customs laws are totally different. They CAN open these types of purchases, but i am not 100% sure of the criteria that deternines what gets opened and what doesn't. AFAIK, it is a random type of thing unless you are already under investigation
But if you are diverting chemicals from other countries, then customs laws are totally different. They CAN open these types of purchases, but i am not 100% sure of the criteria that deternines what gets opened and what doesn't. AFAIK, it is a random type of thing unless you are already under investigation
Assyl Fartrate
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UPS stores are still a bit on the sketchy side, a little too obviously so for many purposes - better is one of those businesses that runs an imaginary office for you.
Here's the thing with P.O. boxes: they attract suspicion by merit of their use alone. Bogus identities and drop sites will only help when an individual order doesn't attract any kind of attention. They help prevent LE from putting together the bigger picture from many small, benign orders. If you order something funny, your fake ID will only mean another charge when you get arrested with it at the dropsite (or after they follow you home and wait for you to finish your synthesis before blowing down the door).
Here's the thing with P.O. boxes: they attract suspicion by merit of their use alone. Bogus identities and drop sites will only help when an individual order doesn't attract any kind of attention. They help prevent LE from putting together the bigger picture from many small, benign orders. If you order something funny, your fake ID will only mean another charge when you get arrested with it at the dropsite (or after they follow you home and wait for you to finish your synthesis before blowing down the door).
carbonated
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Bogus identities and drop sites will only help when an individual order doesn't attract any kind of attention. They help prevent LE from putting together the bigger picture from many small, benign orders. If you order something funny, your fake ID will only mean another charge when you get arrested with it at the dropsite (or after they follow you home and wait for you to finish your synthesis before blowing down the door).
I wouldn't actually be ordering anything "illegal" per se, or even on a DEA watch list. The order combinations are still a huge concern to me though, as I have no idea what the fed's capabilities are in piecing together a person's online order history.
Maybe a fake ID is overkill for that though. Perhaps just switching up my IP address, paying "anonymously", and using a fake name/address (if I can) is enough. Do you guys have any experience with that?
Assyl Fartrate
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The official watch lists are a joke. They aren't going to alert you to their methods of finding you. Don't believe for a second that something not on a "list" isn't watched. If you saw someone order it, and knew they were probably up to something, the DEA would, too.
phaseolus
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I wouldn't actually be ordering anything "illegal" per se, or even on a DEA watch list. The order combinations are still a huge concern to me though, as I have no idea what the fed's capabilities are in piecing together a person's online order history.
Maybe a fake ID is overkill for that though. Perhaps just switching up my IP address, paying "anonymously", and using a fake name/address (if I can) is enough. Do you guys have any experience with that?
Passing fake contact info to chemical suppliers is more likely to attract heat than not. Proper ID is high on the list of anti-diversion tactics, esp post-9/11. The govt has been known to do random checks on the sales records of suppliers (by intimidation). If they land on your file, suspicious chemicals or not they will look up your contact info, and when it comes up blank...you get the picture.
The official watch lists are a joke. They aren't going to alert you to their methods of finding you. Don't believe for a second that something not on a "list" isn't watched. If you saw someone order it, and knew they were probably up to something, the DEA would, too.
If a chem isn't on the currently published lists from both fed and state (not just drugs but also bombs and environmental hazards) AND the amount isn't over threshold (some have no minimum threshold), no one is obligated to report it. Supplier snitching notwithstanding, the only way the government will ever hear about an order is during an investigation, in which case the order wouldn't have been what tipped them off anyway.
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