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« on: May 05, 2013, 02:04:18 AM »
Hey guys,

I've just started university, engineering to be exact. I'm working hard but I feel I'm struggling with several things.

The first and foremost is the inability to concentrate on what professors say in a lecture. I can concentrate on it for a few minutes before my mind begins to wander, and then I've lost the plot of whats going on. My mind just wanders to anything it can, I can't keep it concentrated the whole lecture. I had the same issue in highschool, but I could always get through because the work load was fuck all and working through the same problems for days on end would just allow me to learn from notes I was copying. So far it hasn't been really bad, I can go on youtube and watch videos which I can pause and rewind as much as possible. But now we're starting to get into work that is increasingly difficult and which has less resources available for it. I am concerned that as difficult increases and resources decrease, I am going to be in serious trouble.

The second issue I'm facing is the inability to study in one place at once. I'll be sitting at a bank of computers and I'll do 10-20minutes of work before I feel I just have to get up and go for a short walk. It's an urge; whether its to go for a piss that I dont need or grab I drink I dont really need either, I get up 4-5 times more than everyone else. Same issue as before, my mind also wanders but the urge to get up and walk around is the predominant disruption.

The third issue that really annoys me is forgetting things. It's a real bastard. I get up in the morning, have a good hard think of whether or not I have everything, and being unable to remember all that I need, I go to my car. Then I get to my car; "shit where are the keys". Wallk inside, get keys, come back to car; "shit where's my pencil case". Walk back inside, get case, come back to car; "Oh for fucks sake where's my fucking fork for my lunch?". Walk back inside, get fork, come back to car.... this kind of shit happens a lot. When ever I'm leaving to do something away from home for the day or few hours, I get this issue (2-3 returns inside) and I'm really sick of it. I just can't conjure a mental plan of everything I need before I leave. I can get 50-75% of all I need but I forget things. It's not a lack of memory, it's a lack of concentration. I go to get something sometimes and I'll get to the location and do something else and then leave, completely ignoring my original plan in favour of something else that popped into my head.

I don't have as bad concentration issues when in the gym or doing physical work because my mind can wander or whatever. Any kind of intellectual work gives me trouble.

These issues were manageable in highschool. Now that I have long, heavy days and little spare time, I can't allow these inefficiencies to go on unchecked. They are going to cause me to struggle in uni and possibly fail, and it makes me mad that I can't do a lot about this with sheer willpower (I have tried.). I'm not a weak person, I still manage to squeeze in all my weekly workouts and do some hobby chemistry when I have holidays. But I'm not working at my potential and it really unsettles me.

Something I never have trouble concentrating on... researching a drug synthesis. Something about it, I can get totally obsessed and do it for hours. Compiling resources, finding first hand synthesis accounts, sourcing chemicals.

I could possibly pull off a synthesis. I just landed $7000 on a joint venture with a friend selling cannabinoid infused damiana herb on the market, so 1-2 thousand dollars would be available for precursors and I have afar amount of equipment. What would concern me though, starting with the 2-phenyl-2-(2-piperidyl)acetamide 3 compound would be impurities. Plus, I am unsure how difficult it would be to source the former chemical from an overseas chemical company. I guess that there would be no real way to tell that what I was getting was what I ordered either, or that my end product would be uncontaminated with impurities.

What does everyone think? Should I present these symptoms to a doctor or try and go it alone? I want to stay away from adderall for two reasons: I don't need amphetamine to help me concentrate and I don't want a dependence on such a powerful stimulant. I need something mild, long lasting. I dont think its legal as a prescrip here anyway.

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Re: methylphenidate prescrip vs synthesis
« Reply #1 on: May 05, 2013, 10:36:35 AM »
Just gonna give you my 5 cents, do with it what you want cause all experiences with drugs are individual.

First though. Thought about taking a year of, working instead?
Thought about, is this really what i want to do(regarding subject of studies)?

Second, and this actually bugs me a bit.
Why do you regard methylphenidate as a mild, long lasting stimulant and consider amphetamine as a much powerful one?
We are now speaking of these substances in therapeutic dosages not addict-dosage and given that you can hold your usage of anyone of these stimulants on a therapeutic level then.....
There are few substances that causes more unwanted bad side-effects than methylphenidate.
It is absolutely not a mild stimulant in any freaking way.

I am an former heroin and amphetamine addict, but heroin and all opiods are my real love in life.
I now use mthylphenidate(been doing for 6-12 months) on a daily bases and what i found is that, IT IS PURE SHITE.... Yes it helps me concentrate, allthough that was not my primary goal, but it also makes me almost apathetic. Those things i loved to do, i never do anymore. I'm just sitting pretty, somehow with a strange feeling of satisfaction. At the same time i have a strong feeling of displeasure and disgust towards myself. Then we have a couple of dozen other side-effects like fatigue from hell that hits like a hammer at all dosages, blood pressure rising etc etc and even so i feel lucky cause i don't get any psychic side-effects like many do(anxiety etc etc).
As a former addict of nearly 20 years on and off i would like to make this comparison with heroin and methadone regarding the effect curve. Amphetamine is like methadone and methylphenidate is like heroin.
Amphetamine eases in and eases out rather softly in comparison with methylphenidate that just crash bang freaks you out. What goes up must come down.

Like you i studied, to civil engineer(math, physics and cad) but long story short i fucked up. When i started taking methylphenidate i thought, yes, now I'm gonna finish of those studies but hell no. I'm having problems motivating myself taking these fucking meds every morning and staying of amphetamine(mostly) and of course my old mistress heroin. God only knows how i do it everyday but probably it is because I'm done with heroin and really want to get my shitty act together and i know that if i just continue on this path they will give me dexamphetamine soon( i would already have had it if my original doctor did not have to go and die just to screw me a couple of months ago and the new one being a kind of a nazi).

what i really think is the problem for me is that methylphenidate is a dopamine re-uptake inhibitor and those seem not to do it for me(i also do not like cocaine) as opposed to dopamine releasers like amp.
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« Reply #2 on: May 05, 2013, 05:19:04 PM »
SWIz used MA fr many years in therapeautic doses for many many years.  Sure there were times when he set out to get really twacked for a week or two, but for the most part he used it in small therapeautic doses, and it worked better than adderall, ritalin, or vyvanse. 

And 4studies is right.  Bioassays are completely user dependant.  Just look at the effects of crack on various people.  Some can handle it.  Some get all scared and paranoid.  Some like to farm the carpet.  Some get stuck at the window or peephole for hours on end.  Doesn'tt seem like fun when yer watching it secondhand.  What's good for one person can bee hell for another. 
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« Reply #3 on: May 06, 2013, 02:18:26 AM »
I really don't like MDA or MDMA. These are dopamine releasing agents yes? I hate the comedown. I can't handle it. If I can't handle the comedown on those then I am unsure how I will handle amphetamine... maybe the comedown is less pronounced on such low dosages?

Let me stress a point; I only use MXE, GHB and alcohol for having a good time. I have kind of gone of psychedelics and MDA/MDMA have towering highs and vicious lows. These I make myself and they are very clean. I don't like them. I drink very little alcohol nowadays, sticking with GHB mainly and I do a lot of weightlifting.

I see everyone is leaning towards amphetamine. I saw some brief side effects of methylphenidate and I'm tending towards your train of thought.

how could I make amphetamine slow release over the course of the day? Would I need to experiment with dosages between 5 and 20mg? I dont want to have it hit me quick and then fade quick too. It needs to last a good 5-6 hours over my day.

If it has a hang over or pronounced down period then I won't be able to use it for prolonged periods.

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« Reply #4 on: May 06, 2013, 08:58:19 AM »
Firstly you really should read up on the effects of drugs, what they do in your brain and and how you can oppose these unwanted bad effects...
Yes Mdma/mda releases some dopamine(and norepinephrine), but that is not the problem your experiencing. Your problem with Mdma/Mda is likely/surely to be the extreme release of serotonin and yata, yata, yata...
Read this: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effects_of_MDMA_on_the_human_body

Secondly i forgot to state that methylphenidate is not a motivation pill, but dopamine releasing agents and (especially 4 poor old 4s) dopamine re uptake inhibitors tend to make the user a bit simplistic or one-track-minded. This is what makes it such a good thing when studying, you will find yourself doing it for hours and hours. This is also one of the things that makes the addict find them self in those awkward situations, like masturbating for hours and hours or with more severe consequences getting stuck sorting screws in the newly broken into hardware shop until the cops come.

Yes you could make your own slow release capsules with fillers and all quite simply, but your never gonna get the consistency that the pharmaceutical corps do so there will be differences between capsules/days.
So your best bet is probably to learn when and how much to dosage the hard way.
About the "down period" I'm probably not your source of info because using a needle and staying awake for even up to 7-10 days don't give me any more trouble then that i have to/go to sleep, i race until i go to sleep wether i like it or not. But then i have no problem eating or keeping hydrated which your probably gonna have in the beginning and this will make you feel your "down period". It is not the drug itself but that you wont be able to function normally and/or parry for your "on-drugs-higher" metabolism. This you have to learn, when you do your problems regarding this will diminish quickly.
Your probably in the right neighborhood on your estimate regarding dosage, but you might have to re-dose at least once a day if you want effect both in school and a couple of hours after for your home-studies. Your re-dose should of course only be a fraction of your initial(at least your last one of the day) because you want to be able to sleep without taking something for that to.
Be prepared that you will make mistakes regarding dosage before you get it right so it is probably best to test for example a re-dose on a fri-sat so you do not have to get up and out at 6 in the morning after.
Of course you should check upon how your doctors recommend dosage.
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« Reply #5 on: May 06, 2013, 11:36:49 AM »
Firstly you really should read up on the effects of drugs, what they do in your brain and and how you can oppose these unwanted bad effects...
Yes Mdma/mda releases some dopamine(and norepinephrine), but that is not the problem your experiencing. Your problem with Mdma/Mda is likely/surely to be the extreme release of serotonin and yata, yata, yata...
Read this: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effects_of_MDMA_on_the_human_body

Secondly i forgot to state that methylphenidate is not a motivation pill, but dopamine releasing agents and (especially 4 poor old 4s) dopamine re uptake inhibitors tend to make the user a bit simplistic or one-track-minded. This is what makes it such a good thing when studying, you will find yourself doing it for hours and hours. This is also one of the things that makes the addict find them self in those awkward situations, like masturbating for hours and hours or with more severe consequences getting stuck sorting screws in the newly broken into hardware shop until the cops come.

Yes you could make your own slow release capsules with fillers and all quite simply, but your never gonna get the consistency that the pharmaceutical corps do so there will be differences between capsules/days.
So your best bet is probably to learn when and how much to dosage the hard way.
About the "down period" I'm probably not your source of info because using a needle and staying awake for even up to 7-10 days don't give me any more trouble then that i have to/go to sleep, i race until i go to sleep wether i like it or not. But then i have no problem eating or keeping hydrated which your probably gonna have in the beginning and this will make you feel your "down period". It is not the drug itself but that you wont be able to function normally and/or parry for your "on-drugs-higher" metabolism. This you have to learn, when you do your problems regarding this will diminish quickly.
Your probably in the right neighborhood on your estimate regarding dosage, but you might have to re-dose at least once a day if you want effect both in school and a couple of hours after for your home-studies. Your re-dose should of course only be a fraction of your initial(at least your last one of the day) because you want to be able to sleep without taking something for that to.
Be prepared that you will make mistakes regarding dosage before you get it right so it is probably best to test for example a re-dose on a fri-sat so you do not have to get up and out at 6 in the morning after.
Of course you should check upon how your doctors recommend dosage.


Motivation isnt the issue I'm facing. Keeping focused is. I won't be able to make any inroads on a synthesis until I have more holidays, and it looks like nitroethane will be a bastard to acquire.

I'm going to find some methylphenidate, do some research on dosage and effects before I try it out. I'm sure I can get a prescrip if it works for me. Big pharma can't push enough of this stuff, can they? My sensitivity to psychoactives is significant so if it doesn't work I'll just have to look for something else.
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« Reply #6 on: May 06, 2013, 12:20:05 PM »
Yes do that, cause of course methylphenidate works fine for many many people(more + than -). But not 4 me!
I would also bet my life that most of those people would get even less - on amphetamine in therapeutic dosages, and all though i did not state it out right i was talking about amphetamine in the last cited reply.

Good luck and whatever you choose to try do not forget that what goes up must some down and make up for your higher metabolism when using a stimulant and your "crash" will get easier.
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« Reply #7 on: May 07, 2013, 12:27:07 AM »
Yes do that, cause of course methylphenidate works fine for many many people(more + than -). But not 4 me!
I would also bet my life that most of those people would get even less - on amphetamine in therapeutic dosages, and all though i did not state it out right i was talking about amphetamine in the last cited reply.

Good luck and whatever you choose to try do not forget that what goes up must some down and make up for your higher metabolism when using a stimulant and your "crash" will get easier.

I shouldn't have to crash if I'm not binging or taking rec doses though correct?

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« Reply #8 on: May 07, 2013, 12:29:03 AM »
Pot works for me these days.  Unlike normal folks, weed produces an almost stimulant effect, and increases my focus.  This does not work for ALL adhd people, but I know several that this works for.  I use it medicinally.  Three times a day in small doses (a normal size joint is 2-3 doses depending on the day, and it works marvelously. 



And eventually there will bee a crash when dealing with stimulants of any type.   Hell, red bull has a form of crash involved.  Dosage, tolerance, and frequency of dosage will determine just how bad the crash is.
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« Reply #9 on: May 07, 2013, 09:50:36 AM »

I shouldn't have to crash if I'm not binging or taking rec doses though correct?

Well as zgoat stated and as i myself have in earlier writings, there will be a crash. There is probably no way around it, but there are exceptions to almost every rule. I myself do not get any "normal" crash on any stimulants but almost everyone does, this is of course not a, on the hole, good thing for me as it is more likely because my neurotransmitters are so fucked. You have to parry for the effects of the drugs on your body and mind(eat, drink, salts, minerals, antioxidants etc etc) and minimize your comedown at night(especially in the beginning, when on a substance is your new normal this wont be such a problem)

My points if any have been as follows...
Methylphenidate: works for many people but for most there is much negative that comes with the positive and for many there is no real alternative due to the unwillingness of doctors and countries to use for ex dexamphetamine so they struggle on with the methylphenidate. For many people the negative outweighs the positive by far and that makes them live without medication or if there lucky get dexamphetamine. Then there are many people that get a kind of psychic crash already when the methylphenidate starts flowing through there system.
Whichever group a person fits into there is no way to describe methylphenidate as a weak or mild stimulant without problems.
Dexamphetamine is not without its problems but since our base here being that it is used in therapeutic dosages i strongly recommend it. Of course you should see a doctor and get your substances the legal way if possible due to the fact that you most likely sometime will get stopped by the cops in traffic or get drugtested on a job or because of thousands other reasons.
Finally, of course you should not just listen to an former addict on internet, cause you might just be among the lucky ones that do not experience anything bad with methylphenidate.


Fact of the matter(when my foil hat is sitting pretty on my head) is that the usage of methylphenidate is all due to global drug policy(war on drugs, here amphetamines) and of course economics. Regarding the economic side we are gonna see a change soon as the creators of adderall(Shire) a couple of months back has gotten a approval in EU from several countries to get there new modified version of amphetamine for use as treatment against adhd/add. This means that soon(in several EU countries) the doctors will have the ability to get bribed by shire(instead of Jansen for ex) and suddenly change their approach on whats best to treat adhd/add. This new form af dexamphetamine is lisdexamphetamine(sold as vyvance now) and exactly as when Oxycontin was marketed the reason being its low possibility of use for abuse, officially. Of course the real reason being that a new patent gets a few rich fat a-holes even richer and fatter.
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« Reply #10 on: May 07, 2013, 11:47:23 PM »
SWIz was a very hyperactive kid.  He went from ritalin to adderall.  Then when his behavior still did not corfrect totally, they put him on Desoxyn.  This actually worked.  Little did he know, that as a child he was being administered meth in moderate doses by his mother.  And they wonder why he is the way he is.
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« Reply #11 on: May 08, 2013, 04:28:28 AM »
SWIz was a very hyperactive kid.  He went from ritalin to adderall.  Then when his behavior still did not corfrect totally, they put him on Desoxyn.  This actually worked.  Little did he know, that as a child he was being administered meth in moderate doses by his mother.  And they wonder why he is the way he is.
LOL! they wont show that on those stupid dare ads will they? Ridiculous.

I think that taking Methyl phen or amp every day is a bad idea. Over the weekend for a hardcore study session sounds better.

But I think in light of this, I am going to press on with trying to obtain nitroethane. If anyone has any tips for dealing with customs with this stuff (obviously going to get it sent to surrogate address) then PM me. I'm concerned it may get halted and confiscated even though it isnt illegal. I'm just wondering how common it is for people to try importing it.

Im going to be getting some rit and I'm going to try it out and compare the two. Whichever one works for me will be chosen. Unfortunately adderall isnt a prescribed medicine here.
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« Reply #12 on: May 14, 2013, 04:30:04 AM »
You can get ritalinic acid from china, which would be the easiest syn route. For price prescriptive, 1 kg should be a little under 1k USD.

From experiences I've heard, amphetamine is a superior stimulant vs methylphenidate. Methylphenidate seems to have a worst "body load", requires more redosing, and seems more prone to change a person's behavior when taken long-term.

At binge dosages, ritalin makes me hide in my bathtub with a shotgun,  amp/meth makes me masturbate for hours...

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« Reply #13 on: May 15, 2013, 12:35:21 AM »

At binge dosages, ritalin makes me hide in my bathtub with a shotgun,  amp/meth makes me masturbate for hours...


Mmmmmmmmmmkay.  WOW! 
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« Reply #14 on: May 15, 2013, 12:46:04 AM »

Methylphenidate (Ritalin)




Ritalinic acid


A precursor like Ritalinic acid will be watched.
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« Reply #15 on: May 15, 2013, 09:24:15 AM »
A white powder like ritalinic acid will be checked quite thoroughly in customs. hmm.

I'm really edging towards going to the doctor and being straight up with him; can't concentrate in lectures, difficult to resist distractions, get up too often, etc. Any problems with this approach? As in, will he be very skeptical because I didnt get diagnosed at a younger age?

I'm pretty against regular drug taking, pharma's or otherwise. But I'm struggling to go mind over matter on this, it just aint getting easier after almost 4 months.

Can anyone lend me some insight, via here or PM, as to how customs would check white powders of interest?

I'm assuming they'll just run a pretty basic test for the main amines (H, meth, amphet,MDMA,mda,mescaline etc etc) or maybe a marquis to check for amines, and if it doesnt show they may or may not ask for $$ to have it NMR tested? Any insights? 50g of rit would equal 5000 doses. I wouldn't need anywhere near that; 10g would be enough for 1000 10mg dosages.
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« Reply #16 on: May 15, 2013, 11:12:09 PM »
If you need something to concentrate on, just synth some amphetamine? Who needs a shitty drug like methylphenidate anyway?
If you are too scared to buy nitroethan/ritalinic acid/whatever precursor, then just go and make it yourself, so whats the point of your question?  ;D
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« Reply #17 on: May 15, 2013, 11:37:09 PM »
A white powder like ritalinic acid will be checked quite thoroughly in customs. hmm.

I'm really edging towards going to the doctor and being straight up with him; can't concentrate in lectures, difficult to resist distractions, get up too often, etc. Any problems with this approach? As in, will he be very skeptical because I didnt get diagnosed at a younger age?

I'm pretty against regular drug taking, pharma's or otherwise. But I'm struggling to go mind over matter on this, it just aint getting easier after almost 4 months.

Can anyone lend me some insight, via here or PM, as to how customs would check white powders of interest?

I'm assuming they'll just run a pretty basic test for the main amines (H, meth, amphet,MDMA,mda,mescaline etc etc) or maybe a marquis to check for amines, and if it doesnt show they may or may not ask for $$ to have it NMR tested? Any insights? 50g of rit would equal 5000 doses. I wouldn't need anywhere near that; 10g would be enough for 1000 10mg dosages.


Getting a legal script is the best way to go if all yer after is truly concentration.  Most doctors have no problem prescribing vyvanse to whoever asks for it.  Its a low level stim that works for a lot of people.  Also called lisdexamfetamine. 
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« Reply #18 on: May 16, 2013, 01:13:29 AM »
I'll try get a prescrip for that vynase. Sounds very interesting and would be preferrable to the quick onset and short duration of amphet.

Im feeling a bit iffy with amphet because its a dopamine releaser as opposed to methyl phen which is a reuptake inhibitor. I really hate the comedown on those drugs, feel horrible after rec doses of mdma or mda and i want something with a slow onset and long duration. Am working towards an amphet synthesis but progress is slow as i am in uncharted territory re precursor importation. May try to get some ritalinic acid if the aytempt at a scrip fails.

Thanks for the tips guys

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« Reply #19 on: May 16, 2013, 02:18:26 PM »
You could also do ethylphenidate -> ritalinic acid -> methylphenidate. Ethylphenidate is still sold by some RC vendors depending on where you live.