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BZP, TFMPP, Piperazines
« on: October 07, 2009, 09:16:00 AM »
I'm reading a lot about the supply of MDMA/MDA in the US. Most seem to be Mollies coming from Canada. Even though they can crank out tons of pure MDMA/MDA up there they for some reason still cut the hell out of the stuff with BZP and TFMPP and sometimes just replace all the MDxx with all of those two. How do BZP/TFMPP combo compare to MDA or MDMA from a users perspective??? I looked over at the Erowid vault but the experiences seem to conflict greatly. So how is it compared to the real MDxx? And is it any easier to make piperazines in your opnion?

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Re: BZP, TFMPP, Piperazines
« Reply #1 on: October 08, 2009, 01:18:15 AM »
swim has experience with bzp usage, nothing like mdxx at all, all it does is make your skin crawl and jaw clench @ 200-600mg, no empathetic happy feeling at all, nothing cerebral, although some will say it does slightly, i think it has more to do with the fact that you're out having a good time partying

great for a night out drinking, but not optimal for a music festival or anything similar, although it will last 6hrs or so

since it is actually cns active, it is the perfect substitute for the real thing on the market as most users don't know their heads from their asses and that it is legally obtainable (although health canada is looking into it, and has banned its retail sale as legal highs) so there is no need to manufacture it either

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Re: BZP, TFMPP, Piperazines
« Reply #2 on: October 08, 2009, 01:31:51 AM »
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it is the perfect substitute for the real thing on the market

NO! ...No it is not...

The reason that BZP's have gotten such a bad rap is because of that logic. These are two different drugs with two different actions on the body. A good dose of one does not go for the other and thats why BZP has been killing people. Not because its overly toxic but in almost all the cases they either had it mixed with other substances or thought it was something altogether.

If this discussion keeps along the lines of how to fool the general public to death I will not hesitate to lock it promptly!
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Re: BZP, TFMPP, Piperazines
« Reply #3 on: October 08, 2009, 07:35:30 AM »
swim agrees with swisedit's arguments 100%
swim does not condone such underhanded tactics of false advertising or concealment of actives, it is despicable and immoral

back on topic, straight BZP has a pretty weak effect and cannot really be mistaken for a mdxx compound if one is experienced with said derivatives
with tfmpp, it may be a different story, anyone else care to share?

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Re: BZP, TFMPP, Piperazines
« Reply #4 on: October 08, 2009, 05:18:36 PM »
most of the x comming out of canada has high levels of methamphetamine it's made by chinesse triad types so they don't have scruples so to speak.

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Re: BZP, TFMPP, Piperazines
« Reply #5 on: October 09, 2009, 04:26:49 AM »
the other counterfeits that actually closely resemble xtc in effects were alpa methyl tryptamine and alphaethyl tryptamine this is'nt avaible legally anymore but it's interesting nonetheless.
there was a case of someone dieing from ecstacy branded "blair witch project"
it contained amt.
prohibition lends itself to knock offs which are sometimes deadly giving prohibitionists  more wood for thier fire circular logic imho.

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Re: BZP, TFMPP, Piperazines
« Reply #6 on: October 10, 2009, 02:52:27 AM »
Check it out. Complete chemical analysis of thousands of pills courtesy of our good friends over at the DEA. It's amazing how little MD is actually in even the best pills. Yet to see one with 100mg or over.

http://www.ecstasydata.org/

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Re: BZP, TFMPP, Piperazines
« Reply #7 on: October 10, 2009, 03:40:23 AM »
what's interesting is the only thing that has mdma and that alone is a capsule and most are so stupid they only "trust" pressed pills.
i swij ever gets a press he's going to inscribe "who da clown" on one side and "you da clown" on the other.

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Re: BZP, TFMPP, Piperazines
« Reply #8 on: October 30, 2009, 04:14:29 AM »
I have had plenty of experience with BZP when it first hit the rc scene and it only reminded me of amphetamine. To the point that if I did it I would want to go out and score some meth after I did it. Weak in my opinion. I have never had the BZP/TFMPP combos so no info about that.
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