Author Topic: drug agents rifling throughmy home when i'm away. (Read 497 times)

jon · « **on:** October 11, 2009, 12:58:22 AM »

this has beeen happening lately so weopons came up missing and today the very guy who's surveilience i noted was walkinghis dog twords my residence jsut as i was leaving.
can these people legally do this kind of stuff?
the weapons were legal tazers, military grade c.s., tactical knives etc.
are they allowed to do this???
should i make plans for his ass i plan to set up cameras but should my plans include something a litllle more serious i think you know what i mean.

German · « **Reply #1 on:** October 11, 2009, 01:06:58 AM »

Dude talk to a lawyer. And I'd setup hidden motion detector cameras to document things. In the mean time I would not let on that you are aware of their surviellance. It would appear though that you are about to get busted which is all the more reason to go talk to a lawyer. NEVER TALK TO THE POLICE....NEVER!

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4097602514885833865#

watch all 27 min... and if have time watch the cop's followup

Naf1 · « **Reply #2 on:** October 11, 2009, 01:42:50 AM »

Yes those hidden camera tapes would be very handy to pull out in any subsequent trial!

The only thing is, if he is Leopold you may end up regretting any act of violence. I dont know about where you live, but there are some real cunts down here! They call it the brotherhood, and anything you were to do would be turned back on you pretty much 10 fold while in custody. And if you were to complete the job so to speak, they gather and seek revenge. I am not saying be a pussy towards them, but if it is not a really great reason then... (because they will make sure you get the maximum you can possible get, then once inside your theirs anyway). The greatest thing you could do to fuck them up, would be to be clean when they raided. Then you could file a counter suite, for harrasment etc. If you had video evidence of them breaking into your house without warrants etc, they could have a real tough time explaining.

German · « **Reply #3 on:** October 11, 2009, 01:49:03 AM »

Oh and I'd go and store everything even remotely incriminating in a storage unti in another name (or at your friends place). And having weapons that are not registered, licensed, and up to date are never a good idea but having them under the auspice of drug involvement is really fucking stupid (boy those sentences sure go up with weapons involved) so definitely get rid of those.

no1uno · « **Reply #4 on:** October 11, 2009, 02:01:36 AM »

Right now - clean up - EVERY-FUCKING-THING - check the web and ditch EVERY listed chem in your house. Also ditch any solvents that have been used with the same. Ditch your vacuum pump if it has been used with illegal drugs - get rid of the fucking oil at least.

Prepare some crude dimethylamine (hexamine & HCl) - do it without a hood (it'll stink like fuck), but it has the same result in some of the presumptive tests as Methedrine and can seriously screw up their case. Leave it, non-worked up as a mixture - light yellowish muddy, where they will find it.

Remove and replace all light bulbs and any exposed copper in the house (if you have used anything which might make phosphine), alternatively try and make some aluminium phosphide (for purely non-illegal purposes)... Or even take the risk and try scrubbing it all off, maybe say you tried to use homemade phosphine to kill rats/mice in your house (yeah, you'd look dumb, you are guaranteed to look a whole lot dumber in an orange jumpsuit).

Extract some synephrine (from various sources) - allow it to evaporate slowly

Think about what evidence they will be looking for, what they will find and how to screw up their case

It is not illegal to extract non-prohibited substances or even be an amateur chemist doing things which leave similar (or even the same - particularly to presumptive testing) evidence trail.

Personally, and I am at odds with many when I say this (but SWIM is also free as a consequence, unlike some who followed their advice), make a point of being interviewed and ensure you mention the dialkylamine, the extraction of alkaloids (including n-methylphenethanolamines & caffeine - tell your counsel that, not them), that you use glassware for non-illegal purposes and amateur chemistry. THEN shut the fuck up and refuse to cooperate further.

This removes you from the witness chair at trial - all the evidence you need is introduced by them - you will not be cross-examined and your story - given it is given without restraint in a spirit of cooperation, etc. will be believable, not a self-serving, recent invention. Thus it provides the alternative hypothesis your counsel will need for trial without you giving evidence and being tripped up.

Also - make fucking certain you think of some alternative hypothesis (not for them - for your counsel) for any chemical purchases you've made - trust me, they will find them or know

Finally - format your computer - get one of the disk hashing downloads and hash your harddrive(s)

If you manage all that, and get back on here, be awful fucking careful posting (use a different name and just in case, get those on the boards you visit to change the username on any incriminating posts).

Don't put shit in storage - if you are under surveillance, they will watch you do so and know where to find it

Draw up a dairy - lab notebook - with innocuous lab notes going back some time

German · « **Reply #5 on:** October 11, 2009, 02:14:45 AM »

Quote from: no1uno on October 11, 2009, 02:01:36 AM

Personally, and I am at odds with many when I say this (but SWIM is also free as a consequence, unlike some who followed their advice), make a point of being interviewed and ensure you mention the dialkylamine, the extraction of alkaloids (including n-methylphenethanolamines & caffeine - tell your counsel that, not them), that you use glassware for non-illegal purposes and amateur chemistry. THEN shut the fuck up and refuse to cooperate further.

This removes you from the witness chair at trial - all the evidence you need is introduced by them - you will not be cross-examined and your story - given it is given without restraint in a spirit of cooperation, etc. will be believable, not a self-serving, recent invention. Thus it provides the alternative hypothesis your counsel will need for trial without you giving evidence and being tripped up.

Dude watch that video link. Harvard trained defense attorney and 25 year cop both say that you should never ever talk to the police and that no good can come out of it. Interviewng does not remove you from the witness stand. The 5th Amendment of the US Constitution removes you from the witness stand.

Quote from: no1uno on October 11, 2009, 02:01:36 AM

Finally - format your computer - get one of the disk hashing downloads and hash your harddrive(s)

Format will not erase anything at all. Not only won't a format write over your drive but even if it did a disk drive needs to be written over something like 6 times or in some cases even more before the previous magnetic shadow is gone. I think the DoD calls for Secret material to be written over by random numbers 3 times before it is considered clean and higher rated material calls for even more rite overs. There are numerous free programs that will write over your whole drive but I forget what the best one is at the moment. And btw, Internet Explorer has a very nasty file (I forget but I think it is a .ini file or something weird like that) which logs EVERYTHING you have ever done on Explorer. All keystrokes, webpages, EVERYTHING. It is a little known file but the first file every LE and prosecutor goes to. Make sure that is gone and written over several times. After you clean computer do not go to ANY website or make any keystrokes drug related.... Oh and by the way, I gurantee if they were in your home that they placed a keystroke logger on your computer and currently have all your passwords to all your accounts along with every keystroke you have made. So change all your passwords from a computer that has not been in your house before (friend or something) then kill your hard drive. I bet they have already logged into The Vespiary with your account (Vesp you might want to check his previous IP's and look them up). And do us all a favor and immediately delete your message box both incoming and outgoing.

Vesp · « **Reply #6 on:** October 11, 2009, 02:23:02 AM »

Isn't there a way to tell at what times your computer is/was active?
Ought to figure out that too

Jon, PM if you want to see your IP's logged in..
there is a few but it all looks pretty fine to me IMO

German · « **Reply #7 on:** October 11, 2009, 02:27:37 AM »

Btw, you sure it's LE and not just a secret admirer who likes to masturbate in your underwear when you are gone? lol .... you never know, the big fat bald guy next door may have a crush on you

.... oh, and I'd probably get rid of all that MDA freebase you say you got

jon · « **Reply #8 on:** October 11, 2009, 02:34:53 AM »

he after i deleted all my messages this possibiltiy arises?
damn no in reality this is the same dude who's snippet of conversation on the cellphone i overhead included "he's coming your way"

timecube · « **Reply #9 on:** October 11, 2009, 03:31:21 AM »

You said some things came up missing. What the hell kind of officer/agent would remove things like that? I think you need to make sure you're dealing with LE and not someone else trying to fuck you over. You need to document and report the missing weapons to your lawyer before they show up in a murder trial.

Get a lawyer and tell him you believe you are being investigated without a warrant. Tell him you believe officers or agents entered your home and that weapons are missing. Make sure this gets put into some kind of dated file to have record of this activity before they are able to get a warrant and try to say they did everything you say afterward.

It's a bad idea to cook at home to begin with, but clearly you're not going to be doing anything that's not on the up and up in that apartment anymore. Get rid of all the glass, the vac pump, etc.. preferably wiped down, smashed to pieces, taken out of state and dumped in the bottom of a lake somewhere, making sure you aren't being followed. Yeah, it's a lot of expensive shit.. but it's better than going to prison. All of this needs to be quiet. If they think you're onto them they may move in earlier.

As for the rest of the clean up / deniability, you'll have to refer to some of the other posts and seek qualified legal advice.

jon · « **Reply #10 on:** October 11, 2009, 03:56:03 AM »

you're right about that i try to keep it like i don't know shit.

no1uno · « **Reply #11 on:** October 11, 2009, 09:47:26 AM »

5th amendment MIGHT keep you off the stand, but it won't build your alternative hypothesis... In order to do that, you need to advance the grounds upon which such alternative hypothesis can be seen to stand. Doing that via their evidence (and if a reasonable doubt, or an alternative hypothesis, is raised by EITHER sides evidence to the balance of probabilities the judge will point that out, it is then for the prosecution to disprove it to beyond a reasonable doubt) is entirely proper and they will ALWAYS push to get their interviews in.

I agree, if you haven't got the brains god gave small rodents, please just shut the fuck up and wait for your counsel, you'll do more harm then good. If you have a modicum of intelligence, then consider your position at EVERY moment, what they WILL find (please to fucking god, don't hide shit, they will find it). Work out what they NEED to prove to get a conviction based upon what is in your house/property/vicinity. What alternative hypotheses are available? What would be needed to establish the same? ie. what EVIDENCE do you need to include in that interview, for your brief to point to? (ie. not what they might twig to - the defence is under NO DUTY to disclose what they will do with the prosecutions evidence, or the existence of an alternative hypothesis). Will pigs / prosecutors (who bank on 90% of defendants pleading) really put the thought in, to see what you have done and counter it?

German · « **Reply #12 on:** October 11, 2009, 09:56:47 AM »

^^^ 5th Amendment will keep you off the stand if you want to keep off the stand, it is your right. No one can force you to take the stand in this country.

No one says you can't make a defense though, but you should do it in the presence of an attorney in a law office not in the presence of 6 cops in a police station. That's like trying to beat a professional basketball player at basketball instead of getting your own professional basketball player to play for you. You should really watch that video I posted. Really every American should. It will take 27 min out of your life (48 min if you watch the cop too who is also good) but it could save you lots of time behind bars.

jon · « **Reply #13 on:** October 11, 2009, 10:05:21 AM »

thatnks german i will look it over thouroughly and thanks to everyone else too i sense guinuine brotherhood here.
i'll weigh evrybit of advice.

Formula409 · « **Reply #14 on:** October 11, 2009, 11:18:06 AM »

Can you booby trap your house?
Not necessarily aggressive devises, but just like the old paper-clip in the door trick, put a key-logger on your computer and see what the agent does when he is on your computer...
Also install a logging tool on your computer, there are several available for server purposes that let you know what has been opened, general os details...

Also may be advisable to start using a live OS, like knoppix or slackware, your bread crumbs will lead Hansel and Gretel home...

Also truecypt is your friend, nothing better then truecrypt and a pen-drive......

If you know what these swine are looking at, you know why there looking for you

Formula409

poisoninthestain · « **Reply #15 on:** October 11, 2009, 03:16:49 PM »

I wouldn't destroy the glass but rather clean it out to the nth degree...as for the chems just do something with the listed ones....above all never talk which is the biggest burn...you're just "an amature chemist" nothing more...for a conviction they will need some form of conspiracy charge most likely but without the chems needed to make said substance it won't stick...you can have benzaldehyde, 2,5DMB, triMeO-alkaloids but none of that is gonna stick unless you made the motions to see it to completion...you should seriously buy a home security camera...

...i had a friend who once was getting a ton of shit stolen from his house: glass, drugs, tons of stuff...he bought a camera setup at walmart for $20-80 and he caught that fuck in matter of 5 days...i believe if they broke in once they'll do it again...

heisenberg · « **Reply #16 on:** October 11, 2009, 07:37:47 PM »

I think that geez needs to get in this thread.

From what I've heard around, it is not necessarily the best option to not say anything. I once heard an example where a guy was getting hit by the feds, and his explaining his activities (strictly hobby, no drugs, no traps, etc.) actually helped to diffuse the situation. The fools where inclined to just kick in the door stormtropper style, because they didn't know better at first. After seeing what the guy was actually like, they calmed down substantially. I believe that his legal council even said that it was probably better to have said the tiny bit that the guy did, as opposed to getting a MP5 stuck down throat for being totally silent. IIRC the guy came out clean.

German · « **Reply #17 on:** October 11, 2009, 07:56:10 PM »

That is a rare thing and for every one of those there a probably 10,000 that go the exact other way (yes including those innocent). Martha Stewart only spent time in prison because she choose to talk to police (she got charged for lying). Marion Jones only spent time in prison for talking to police (she got charged for lying). Most of these "terrorists" who got nabbed in the US the last month are all just being charged for lying. Many many others wouldn't have spent a single day in prison had they just exercised their right to remain silent right from the start. %80 of all death row inmates who have been proven completely innocent by DNA evidence had said incriminating things during their interview which were mostly what was used to convict them. Watch that video. Even if you are completely innocent and really have nothing to do with anything criminal (unlike jons case) you never want to talk to police and when you are guilty of conspiracy to manufacture illegal narcotics (who's threshold is incredibly low) you really don't want to talk to them. That guy in the video gave a little exercise to his students during his speech that showed how every one of them could easily be convicted of murder for merely talking to police even though they'd have nothing to do with it. Being made into a liar for your trail when talking to the police is so easy to do even when you are innocent and sincere.

EDIT: I will give you though that that serial killer up in Washington (Green River killer I think) was a free man for decades because every time the police talked to him he was able to assuage their concerns. But that was mostly because of incompetent investigators and even then he was ultimately helped convicted based upon his numerous interviews. Had he nervously invoked the 5th right from the start yeah he might have been a much bigger target and got convicted sooner, but had he done so in a way which would not come across as having something to hide (you know 'I'm not talking to you because I hate all cops and fuck the government') then his words would not have given them further things to follow up on and come back to.

lugh · « **Reply #18 on:** October 12, 2009, 01:42:06 AM »

Geezmeister will weigh in here when he's able to do so

It seems more likely that the person stealing those weapons is simply some sort of thief, though it's possibly a rogue cop as they are known to do such things

The first thing that should be done is to sweep for surveillance devices, before installing one's own

The computer should be checked for malware

Cleaning one's abode seems advisable as well, but this must be done in a manner that's not obvious to nearby surveillance

One can do the things that were suggested to create reasonable doubt as well, and discussing the situation with a criminal law attorney seems advisable

jon · « **Reply #19 on:** October 12, 2009, 10:03:19 AM »

swij does'nt know hardly anybody and does'nt let people in his domicile

in regardsto :

It seems more likely that the person stealing those weapons is simply some sort of thief,

so we can ule that out,cops hate weapons everybody knows that weapons in the hands of the shepple that is.

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