There are a shitload of journal articles that are already on the web, on our harddrives and on online file servers (not to mention the ones we've all lost over time)...

I know Sedit has a library on here and numerous people have ftp accts... I and several others have decent collections online (as well as elsewhere)

But it don't work - we have rhodium mirrors (plus rhodium lookalikes), old pdf archives of the same, etc. plus things like this (which is fucking extensive), but it isn't all available or even indexed appropriately

What we need is something people can look through, browse through, by type of chemistry, then by group of compounds, then by individual compound type, look at individual files, check the abstract and then decide whether or not to download them. Even if we simply connected a library up to the existing sources online, then that would be fucking huge (SM and others have massive amounts of pdf files hosted, so does erowid, Japanese, Brazillian, Chinese, etc. chemistry journals, even the Rhodium pdf indices)...

What we would need is a url - somewhere we can put the library, then set it up with a php/mysql server with admins and editors, and then probably set it up so that the various staff could add links, the abstract, the journal name, doi, authors to a form, choose which subject, category, subcategory and specific type of compound to which it relates and BOOM, the various page(s) update to reflect that new information and that article is from then on, accessible to all searchers for truth.

From then on, whenever the admins/editors see a file uploaded somewhere, they simply grab the abstract, etc. and fill in the form page on the library acct.

Nope, I won't touch tor/privoxy - anything developed by and for the US Navy, can be read by them - quite simply the biggest diameter pipes for that first communication between your PC and the network, is 99% certain to be owned & operated by the DoD. Nobody else has the time, resources or interest to develop it, so what does that mean? It means that first communication, the one with YOUR IP/MAC addy, can and quite probably is, traced. Why don't we hear this? Cos the jihadists and other fuckups think tor hides them from the DoD, so do the rockspiders...

Do the files uploaded with forum posts all get deposited in the same place?
It would be nice if they could all be browsable from one place.

Something I've noticed is the tendency to post external links to documents rather than uploading them directly to the site, and while it isn't practical to archive every resource, I know it's frustrating when browsing the Hive archives and coming across links to websites that don't exist anymore.

Just some thoughts.

t8er knows a bit of php and mysql and willing to help 

if we have a central repository then take a look at rhodium or rogue. ye rogue came back up but they hacked the fuck out of him in a second.

Sorry to pull the thread off topic... I don't remember RS getting hacked in recent history, unless you're talking about a figurative hacking. IIRC we were hacked after the iDefense thing, but that was ancient history, and the site was around long after that.

I do think that the library would be best password protected and the pass given to only posting/contributing members, and everyone who has access should be required to submit information.

Well, this wouldn't be "Open" to anyone -- but perhaps only 5-10 different people, who then can post it on other sites and share the information. Also having various peoples download it -- so if something ever does happen to the main library, it can be brought back easily. And these 5-10 people would be well known members who are trusted with in our group of like minded people.

shroomedalice and I were suggesting that only select people would be able to read/download, let alone edit. It all goes back to keeping the site somewhat on the down low. Probably the most important thing to strive for in a site like this a low signal to noise ratio, which can be accomplished either by strict moderation (which doesn't seem to be desired) or growing slowly.

Well if anyone needs somewhere to start I have uploaded a couple of thousand pdfs and djvu files that were part of the Rhodium archive, they can be accessed and indexed via these links;

PDF
http://127.0.0.1/rhodium/Rhodium/pdf/

DJVU
http://127.0.0.1/rhodium/Rhodium/djvu/

The thing that makes ScienceDirect, RSC etc etc so good, is that fact that someone has typed out the abstract and title and author and all the relevant information for every paper they have. That information is then entered into a searchable database, so you can search for keywords also (like google). I guess we could just look up the paper in question at one of those sites and copy and paste the information (if the pdf does not allow seletion of text).

Looks excellent! Maybe you should trail it?

I downloaded that program (open journal system)to assess the feasibility, it appears you would upload everything to the required directory (like the forum) then there is an installation page you start at. If you need assistance dont hesitate I would be very willing to help with such a great idea, no1uno may want to handle this part? as its his baby? If you want we could just test it by uploading it to someones ftp then testing and ironing out the bugs before it gets put up officially?

I did not see the actual interface, it was relatively small download containing alot of php, html, xml files etc. One would assume these would be uploaded to the ftp then you would surf to the installation page via html. You would imagine it will be like most other automated DB programs, being the fields will already be set and you would just have to type title, numbers, and abstract etc, but thats purely speculation.