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Methylamine from Glycine & Cyclohexanone
« on: October 18, 2009, 07:14:24 PM »
100g food grade glycine was placed in a 2L flask with 1L technical grade cyclohexanone and brought to steady reflux with strong magnetic stirring. The reaction mix darkened over the course of hours and it was thought the amount of glycine seen stirring in the flask was very slowly decreasing. The reflux was continued for 14 hours, at which point the reaction mixture was cooled, filtered and the filter cake weighed while still damp with cyclohexanone. Weight of filter cake 115g.

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From the journals it was hoped that cyclohexanone would have catalized the decarboxylation of glycine to methylamine and formed an imine with cyclohexanone, to be later hydrolized from the Schiff base N-cyclohexylidenemethanamine back to methylamine HCl.

These researchers imagine glycine just requires much more energetic reaction conditions then can be had at atmospheric pressure with this solvent and normal heating.

Proposed alternate experiments:

1) microwave reflux
2) pressure bomb

Is there a way N-cyclohexylidenemethanamine could be a solid at @150C?

Is there a way 2-(cyclohexylideneamino)acetic acid could have been produced? If so, we still aren't advancing. It and unreacted glycine would give glycine HCl with the addition of 3N HCl. This would however give hope to the proposed routes to (Z)-2-(1-phenylpropan-2-ylideneamino)acetic acid and time release/metabolized amphetamines or ethylamphetamines from strait reduction.

The cyclohexanone has yet to be hydrolyzed/extracted with 3N HCl and the aq. evaporated to check for methylamine. I will get around to it. After seeing all the starting glycine in the filter cake enthusiasm was lost.

Thermal decarboxylation of alpha-amino acids
Bulletin de la Societe Chimique de France (1965), (4), 929-33
"Amino acids (5 g.) suspended in 50 ml. of an inert solvent (C13to C18 paraffins, squalane, dodecene, dodecylbenzene, .alpha.-methyl-naphthalene, tetralin, decalin) were decarboxylated after 4-8 hrs. of reflux in the presence of 2% of a catalyst (tetralin or decalin peroxides, tetralone, cyclohexanone, acetophenone), to give the corresponding amines in 50-90% yield. Similarly, an amino acid suspension in a high boiling ketone (nonanone, cyclo-hexanone, acetophenone, 2-, 3-, and 4-methyleyclohexanone, p-methylacetophenone, benzyl methyl ketone, propiophenone, benzophenone) yielded by decarboxylation, a Schiff base which was hydrolyzed in 3N HCl to regenerate the ketone and to give the amine-HCl."

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Re: Methylamine from Glycine & Cyclohexanone
« Reply #1 on: October 19, 2009, 10:24:50 AM »
The following ninhydrin-reactive products were identified in 0.01 M solutions of single amino acids pyrolysed in the absence of oxygen: gamma-aminobutyric acid from glutamic acid; methylamine from glycine; ethylamine from alanine; glycine, alanine and ethanolamine from serine; glycine from threonine; phenethylamine and benzylamine (?) from phenylalanine; glycine and alanine from methionine; and proline from arginine. R f values are listed for unidentified ninhydrin-reactive products that arose from pyrolysed solutions of leucine, isoleucine, valine, histidine, tyrosine and lysine. Aspartic acid yielded only malic acid and ammonia on pyrolysis and neither proline nor hydroxyproline yielded ninhydrin-reactive products. In terms of increasing order of relative thermal stability at temperatures between 216 and 280°C the amino acids studied fell into the following four groups: (1) aspartic acid, cystine, threonine, serine, arginine-HCl; (2) lysine-HCl, histidine-HCl, methionine; (3) tyrosine, glycine, valine, leucine, isoleucine; (4) alanine, proline, hydroxyproline (?), glutamic acid. It is suggested that part of the glycine, proline and alanine in fossil materials may bo diagenetic and not original. Pyrolytic experiments on equimolar mixtures of amino acids in aqueous solution showed the relative stability order predicted on the basis of experiments with single amino acids to remain unchanged; however, glycine,alanine and phenylalanine were observed to decompose more rapidly in mixtures than when present alone. Alanine was shown to be much more liable during pyrolysis in the presence of glucose than in its absence, the kinetics increasing with the concentration of glucose. Arrhenius equations describing the reaction rates of four amino acids present singly in 0.01 M solutions were found to be: pyroglutamic acid, ; phenylalanine, k = 2 × 10 8 e -30,800/ RT ; threonine, k = 2 × 10 12 e -35,800/ RT and serine, k = 4 × 10 9 -29,350/RT . Using these equations and old data obtained for alanine by Abelson (1954), a table was constructed showing the predicted amounts of each amino acid remaining after the application of time temperature combinations between 0.1 million years at 10°C and 5000 million years at 100°C. Applications of the data to geothermometry are illustrated and a case is made for the possible development of a new method in geothermometry based on selective destruction of certain amino acids.


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Re: Methylamine from Glycine & Cyclohexanone
« Reply #2 on: October 19, 2009, 09:15:38 PM »
Hoping to get the job done in just under 5000 million years... ;)

What polar solvent system could get glycine and cyclohexanone together? A mix of water and alcohol? I think with all of the glycine in solution the microwaves might do their work better.

I will try messing about with what is on hand and report back

Making a wet paste of cyclohexanone and glycine with alumina could work, but there should be a difference between the localized super heating around metal and the way microwaves work on polar molecules in solution. More even super heating at worst, "microwave effect" at best. But then the polar solvents would not be reactants in this case, so I don't know.

I need to get looking at SS pipe ratings. If resistive element wrapped stainless could safely get to 400C with pressure, then we have a winner.

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Re: Methylamine from Glycine & Cyclohexanone
« Reply #3 on: October 19, 2009, 11:03:19 PM »
Read thru our Tools for the synthetic chemist thread Disposable as it details a few methods on decarboxylation that would apply here as well. I have a few papers from the old rhodiums archives I believe that detail the use of Cu as a catalyst in the reaction.

A microwave may be very helpful to you here as MW enjoys absorbsion in NH3 molecules. Try to microwave a dilute solution of ammonia and you will see in a matter of 1 second or so the liquid becomes to hot to handle. I thought the bubbles where ammonia being released but it was indeed boiling in about 2-3 seconds in the microwave. Don't ask why I was sticking that in the MW, you will get use to that form of non sence from me soon enough  ;D
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Re: Methylamine from Glycine & Cyclohexanone
« Reply #4 on: October 20, 2009, 04:27:22 AM »
PTC might help the players mingle as well.

I forgot to put that I vinegar/baking soda CO2 flushed the flask before starting. I would have done a more through job of flushing but I really thought I was minutes away from watching lots of co2 flying out of the reaction.

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Re: Methylamine from Glycine & Cyclohexanone
« Reply #5 on: December 02, 2009, 09:32:01 PM »
Use of a catalytic amount of an enone, like the carvone found in spearmint oil, will bring the decarboxylation temperature below 200 degrees. Since the enone is only present as a catalyst, the amine will be released as a gas and need to be captured.

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Re: Methylamine from Glycine & Cyclohexanone
« Reply #6 on: December 03, 2009, 12:22:53 AM »
Here's the references.

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Re: Methylamine from Glycine & Cyclohexanone
« Reply #7 on: May 29, 2011, 02:20:40 PM »
A new method for the preparation of amines from .alpha.-amino carboxylic acids.     Dose, Klaus.    Max-Planck-Inst. Biophys.,  Frankfurt a. Main,  Germany.    Chemische Berichte  (1957),  90  1251-8.  CODEN: CHBEAM  ISSN: 0009-2940.  Journal  language unavailable.    CAN 54:49881    AN 1960:49881    CAPLUS 

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Decarboxylation of .alpha.-amino carboxylic acids in the presence of aromatic aldehydes made possible the use of relatively low temps. with less loss of the resulting amines.  To prevent transamination between the reactants, appropriate p- or o-substituted aldehydes were used, and this helped develop an electronic mechanism for the reaction.  Preliminary expts. detd. the temps. (80-160°) for CO2 evolution from glycine, alanine, proline, histidine, lysine, arginine, and aspartic acid, each in the presence of BzH, o-HOC6H4CHO, p-MeOC6H4CHO, and p-Me2NC6H4CHO

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Re: Methylamine from Glycine & Cyclohexanone
« Reply #8 on: May 30, 2011, 12:37:41 AM »
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Chemische Berichte  (1957),  90  1251-8

That article was scanned long ago for Rhodium 8)
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Re: Methylamine from Glycine & Cyclohexanone
« Reply #9 on: May 30, 2011, 01:39:27 PM »
IIRC the enone is only regenerated on workup!
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