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Recommended books on hydrogenation and the preparation of catalysts?
« on: November 01, 2009, 09:37:20 PM »
I don't know where this thread should go so I'm putting it here. Feel free to move it.

Does anyone have any recommended books on hydrogenation and the preparation of catalysts?

I am specifically looking for info on the prep of platinum or palladium from Pt/Pd Cl salts with NaBH4. From my reading it seems like people are going to a lot of trouble to prep Adams catalyst platinum oxide from Chloroplatinic acid, just to reduce it to Pt to use it in ethanol when Chloroplatinic acid can be reduced by NaBH4 to active Pt in ethanol, skipping the +500C kiln oven prep.

Hydrogenation is also fun because these reductions can be done on the imine from glycine and (insert favorite flavor here)p2p without affecting the carboxylic acid. Decarb or let your body do it for you.

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Re: Recommended books on hydrogenation and the preparation of catalysts?
« Reply #1 on: November 02, 2009, 02:20:23 AM »
Here is a pretty cool book I found. Looks like PtCl6 reduced by NaBH4 is some dope shit.

RapidShare: Handbook of Heterogeneous Catalytic Hydrogenation for Organic Synthesis 2001.pdf

I forgot that RapidShare is searchable. Lots of good stuff there!

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Re: Recommended books on hydrogenation and the preparation of catalysts?
« Reply #2 on: November 02, 2009, 06:15:48 AM »

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Re: Recommended books on hydrogenation and the preparation of catalysts?
« Reply #3 on: November 02, 2009, 10:14:04 AM »
Albert Einstein - "Great ideas often receive violent opposition from mediocre minds."

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Re: Recommended books on hydrogenation and the preparation of catalysts?
« Reply #4 on: November 02, 2009, 03:26:28 PM »
Hydrogenation is also fun because these reductions can be done on the imine from glycine and (insert favorite flavor here)p2p without affecting the carboxylic acid. Decarb or let your body do it for you.

.......interesting comment, what is your reference for this and what do you propose the once aminated material looks like.....just curious ......java
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Re: Recommended books on hydrogenation and the preparation of catalysts?
« Reply #5 on: November 02, 2009, 04:55:10 PM »
what do you propose the once aminated material looks like.....just curious ......java

Like the attached .gif, if possible.

Reductions in Organic Chemistry by Hudlickey, that I uploaded to the ref section, on pg 7,
I can't cut and paste from djvu soI have to type...
Speaking of Pt at RT and <4atm H2, "...and are completely ineffective in reductions of acids or esters to alcohols." Now whether this means one might get an aldehyde... Yeah, more reading, or move to Pd.

Also on pg 7, speaking of Pd catalysts, "They do not reduce carboxylic groups."

Is this written by fallible human hands? Yes. Is it enough to warrant an investigation if the end means never having to make methylamine again? Hell yeah, I think so.

Now from the refs about decarboxylations being catalyzed by =O, the schiff base is formed and isolated as the decarbed product. An interesting paper might be the investigation into whether the schiff base is formed after the decarb or if the schiff base is what is catalyzing the decarb. One should be able to isolate the glycine/2-aminoacetic acid and 3-aminopropanoic acid imines seeing how they dont want to decarboxylate without vigorous conditions, if that is what is happening. I would be willing to bet some precursors that the imine forms, then if the carb acid was protected or reduction used that doesnt affect the group, that the products from the gif could be made. From there, would the new carb acid decarboxylate easier? Would it be body friendly? I know just the space monkey willing to strap into that rocket.

I have some other things here about reductions with carboxylic groups. Amino acid and protein chemistry aren't just for LSD anymore...

Also, if the end product turns into E that time matches my acid trip without a need to pop more, super awesome. One could even press up some heavy hitter candyflip pills for VIP use only ;)

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Re: Recommended books on hydrogenation and the preparation of catalysts?
« Reply #6 on: November 02, 2009, 11:16:31 PM »
First off, Java, you are the best. If anyone didn't catch this prep, you might want to.

"Indeed, the platinum catalyst obtained by this simple procedure exhibits an activity of nearly 100 per cent. greater than that of commercial platinic oxide (Adams catalyst2) now widely used for laboratory hydrogenation." They also prep rhodium, palladium and others in the same manner.

So making a logical stretch, if the hydrogenation isn't harmed by acidic conditions then this should run. For the workers thinking md or strait p2p and methylamine, I see the methylamine salting that acid anyway and the whole thing getting basic. What about not bothering with acid quench of NaBH4 since it should also be doing the required job?

Quick math says that NaBH4 is 4 hydride (H) equivalents, and Chloroplatinic acid requires 12 to get to reduced Pt black, so these jokers are using ~8.33 excess of NaBH4. If one follows their lead and assumes that it is 2x as effective, one might reduce the Pt to only .5g per mol of p2p, leaving an excess of ~2.1g NaBH4 in the mix if it is not hit with HCl. Or up it to 1g Pt per mol p2p and have ~4.3g excess NaBH4. These are appreciable amounts of excess reducing agent and would throw a wrench into calculating the hydrogen uptake, especially seeing as how NaBH4 is anything but precise in its action. What does anyone else think? Just follow the ref, I guess, but that isn't fun and will waste methylamine. I guess the pH could be monitored during HCl addition.

I really like the sound of room temperature and pressure hydrogenation even though I had already geared myself up for another A-team garage fabrication event. Not sourcing or compressing hydrogen is nice, too. I guess adding optical glass repair to my list of drug jobs isn't the worst thing. If anyone needs anything chromed, aromatherapy soaps & candles or custom plastic castings, just ask.

Nobody I know is going to start tossing NaBH4 in acid to make H2. Zinc HCl seems better. Anyone got any favorites?

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Re: Recommended books on hydrogenation and the preparation of catalysts?
« Reply #7 on: November 02, 2009, 11:45:49 PM »
One other thing, Wiz, are you trying to steer those who need guidance in a better palladium direction?

Some books quoting refs I have here are showing that Pd is superior to Pt in its production of secondary amines while not reducing ketones to alcohols but being a less active reducing agent.

and what about unwanted triamines? Is p2p bulky enough to hinder that addition?

and water in the mix? anhydrous?

Lots of variables.

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Re: Recommended books on hydrogenation and the preparation of catalysts?
« Reply #8 on: November 10, 2009, 09:35:00 PM »
I don't know where I found this, probably here, but
Schiff Bases. Part 1. Thermal Decarboxylation of a-Amino-acids in the Presence of Ketones
J. Chem. SOC. (C), 1968 p406-410 is the lowdown on the carb acid schiff base. I don't think researchers here have it in them to heat ketone and glycine.

Onto research that might get done, looking at the PtCl6 NaBH4 reduction to platinum black, is its stated increase in effectiveness due to it being Pt(VI), not Pt(IV) or am I way off.

As stated before, I am retarded and physically deformed. Feel free to ridicule.

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Re: Recommended books on hydrogenation and the preparation of catalysts?
« Reply #9 on: November 15, 2009, 12:36:32 AM »
Does anyone have a pdf/djvu of Morris Freifelder's clasics?

Catalytic Hydrogenation in Organic Synthesis: Procedures and Commentary by Morris Freifelder
November 1978 by John Wiley & Sons Inc
isbn: 0471029459    (isbn13: 9780471029458)

and/or

Practical Catalytic Hydrogenation: Techniques and Applications by Morris Freifelder
June 16th 1971 by John Wiley & Sons Inc
isbn: 0471278009    (isbn13: 9780471278009)

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Re: Recommended books on hydrogenation and the preparation of catalysts?
« Reply #10 on: November 26, 2009, 01:47:32 PM »
See attached reference.