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DIY hotplate with magnetic stirrer
« on: November 08, 2009, 05:02:42 AM »
DIY Hotplate With Magnetic Stirrer

These are instructions for building a hotplate with magnetic stirrer. Depending upon scrounging abilities it can be made from 100% ghetto parts at no cost. Realistically it’s going to be easier for most people to buy the required electric pan from a thrift store for $2-5 and a couple different types of blow dryers for about $4. It will cost another buck or two for a transformer and as maybe $3 for a potentiometer. I’ll assume you can find the magnet and a switch for free. You can buy alnico magnets from many online dealers, one of which is http://scientificsonline.com/product.asp_Q_pn_E_3060131. Be sure that what you order has the poles at the ends. Switches are available at Radio Shack, probably magnets too..

Anyone who wants to give it a try should be able to succeed with these instructions...

Parts List

    * Electric pan with thermostat dial on cord
    * Permanent magnet electric motor
    * Alnico magnet, bar or cylinder with poles at the ends.
    * Potentiometer, 100 Ohms, linear taper (Electronics parts store ~ $5 or less)
    * Transformer--wall wart type—7.5VDC seems to work well, but anything between 5 and 10VDC should be fine.
    * Switch—almost anything will do. Technically a Single Pole Single Throw (SPST) is the one designed for the job, but use what you can find.

Assembly Instructions

Choose the right motor. You will need to use a permanent magnet motor because there are no brushes to create to ignite fumes from something you’re cooking, and because speed control is easy.. They will usually be found in devices that run on AC current, but they work fine with DC.

To make sure a motor is brushless, you should be able to look through holes in the casing and see the sides of a curved magnet attached to the wall of the frame, and not coils of wire. Note that there will be wire coiled around the armature, which goes through the center of the assembly, which is fine. If you see the outer wires you probably don’t have the right type of motor. Another test is to start it up and look through holes in the casing for sparks. It’s no good if you see them. Electric hair dryers are usually good sources for the motors and sell for a couple of dollars at thrift stores.

Forget about using a computer fan. You need a strong magnet, and it will pull on the magnets inside the motor and make it difficult or impossible to start, and reducing the voltage to decrease the stirring rate may cause the motor to stall. In addition rare earth magnets from a hard drive will permanently lose most of their magnetism as soon as they get warm.

Test the motor. You should wire up and try out your motor before you assemble it, because it may not be possible to get it to turn slowly enough to be useful. (See the last section of this paper for wiring instructions.) Most of these motors are capable of spinning at a rate at least 100 times faster than you would ever want it to go, and some will stall out before they turn slowly enough to work for our purposes. If it happens to you use a slightly larger motor. Fortunately that’s the exception, and good motors aren’t hard to find.

Modifications. If the motor hadn’t come with the fan, a large flat washer or something of the sort would have been attached in it’s place. Whatever is used, it must be firmly secured to the shaft coming out of the motor, and balanced so it doesn’t vibrate.

On top of the fan or substitute, epoxy an alnico magnet like the one in the picture. It has to be alnico because it needs to be powerful—the stronger the better. You can’t use rare earth magnets like those in computer hard drives because they loose their magnetism after just a few minutes exposure to heat.

The prototype. Figure 1 shows an early prototype with a permanent magnet motor clamped between two pieces of aluminum to support it, and bolted to a rough, heavier piece of aluminum underneath. The black plastic piece at the top was the blower for the hair dryer which was already attached to the motor...It’s main purpose now is to provide a flat surface on which to mount the magnet, but it also creates air circulation that keeps the motor cool. This unit has been in use for over four years without any problems, and the fan is probably the main reason why.

In a later model the bottom plate has been replaced with a smaller, flat piece of aluminum, and the cylinder supporting the motor was replaced with steel from an old computer case. The steel does not interfere with the magnet at all, and was much easier to work with than thick aluminum.

Although it wasn't done at the time the pictures were taken, you will naturally want to mount the switch and the potentiometer on a plate of some sort.


Figure 1: Mounting the motor

Selecting a hotplate. The other essential part is the hotplate. For this you need any one of a variety of cooking devices with the heating element embedded in a ring under the bottom of the pan. (See figure 2 for an example.) These cookers are almost always made of thick aluminum. Another common feature is an adjustable thermostat that plugs into the side of the device, and these tend to be more accurate than other types. Choose one that has a temperature range compatible with your needs. There are a large selection of grills, baked potato cookers, fondue pots, etc., which are common in thrift shops, most of which will work fine.

Wiring. You can see the purple wires leaving the motor on the left in Figure 1. Extend the wires when you mount the motor. If you forget you might have to take it back apart later.


Figure 2. The underside.

Motor Support And Alignment. The hotplate needs to be kept close to the magnet and centered under it. You want to have the magnet come as close to the bottom of the pan as possible without touching it, (this one comes within 1/8”). Because magnetism drops off quickly with distance this is important so you can stir thick liquids. The support needs to fit the bottom of the pan on the inside of the heating element and needs to be centered—you won’t want to have to move your flask to the side of the pan to stir. The final alignment must make the pan level.

The material used for the support shown is 1/8” aluminum, and once formed it was riveted to hold the shape. Cutting it was a pain because of the thickness but it’s strong and works well. The holes in the support are a good idea to keep your motor from getting too hot. If the material you choose doesn’t have any it would be a good idea to drill some.


Figure 3. Motor inside support.

Holding it together. This may challenge your imagination, but you’ve got to find a way to hold all of this together. Shown is one possible solution. The steel strip was riveted to the bottom of the support, and clamped under the pan handles. This worked well because the handles just happened to have enough room underneath for the strip. Whatever you use, it must be strong. Having the assembly collapse during use could be inconvenient.


Figure 4. Attaching the hotplate to the base.

Electrical Connections. The connections are simple. Just follow the diagram in Figure 5. The 10K pot is shown looking down on it from the top. It will have three connectors, but you only use two, and one of them needs to be on the center. If your stirrer speeds up when the knob is turned left and slows down when turned right, remove the wire on pin 1 of the pot and connect it to pin 3...

If you have the ability all electrical connections should be soldered and wrapped with heat shrink. If you can’t solder use small wire nuts from the hardware store. If you can’t use wire nuts twist the wires together and tape them. This is liable to cause trouble with bad connections before too long.

Be sure to insulate all exposed wire and connectors. Use shrink wrap if you have it, otherwise electrical tape.


Figure 5. Wiring diagram.

Does it work?


Figure 6. In action, normal speed.


Figure 7. A little faster, but nowhere near max.

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Re: DIY hotplate with magnetic stirrer
« Reply #1 on: November 10, 2009, 01:13:21 AM »
Impressive write up! Thank you very much for your contribution and when I or another mod gets the time it will go where all the great posts go - the publications thread.

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Re: DIY hotplate with magnetic stirrer
« Reply #2 on: November 10, 2009, 03:06:01 AM »
One of these days Im going to learn to make these into PDFs the way I want to so we can setup a good sized data base of publications.

Nice work BTW Prepuce. What is the recorded temperature of the device?
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Re: DIY hotplate with magnetic stirrer
« Reply #3 on: November 10, 2009, 03:54:19 AM »
I've heard of this... don't know how well it works but a few people have mentioned it..
http://sourceforge.net/projects/pdfcreator/
At least I believe this is the thing they said.
same but tells a bit about it... http://en.pdfforge.org/pdfcreator

Says you can create a PDF out of any file that is able to print.
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Re: DIY hotplate with magnetic stirrer
« Reply #4 on: November 10, 2009, 04:48:50 AM »
Thanks Vesp, Sedit. I can turn the document into a pdf, but I don't know how to get it to you or the board. Just let me know and I'll do it.

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Re: DIY hotplate with magnetic stirrer
« Reply #5 on: November 23, 2009, 06:08:01 AM »
Sorry to have overlooked your question, Sedit. The thermostat tops out at about 450 F, which is 232C, I think) but I've never taken it that high. It's been adequate for everything i've tried to do with it.

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Re: DIY hotplate with magnetic stirrer
« Reply #6 on: January 24, 2010, 12:52:03 AM »
PrimoPDF is also useful, although MS Office now has the option to save Word Doc's as PDF's... Give me the stuff you want done up & I'll do it

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Or just download PrimoPDF from here and install it on your system, it installs as a printer, whatever you want to print, just select print and then choose PrimoPDF as the printer, with a little work you'll work out how to save it when it asks you where to put it, but you can always save a copy anyway.
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Re: DIY hotplate with magnetic stirrer
« Reply #7 on: January 26, 2010, 03:54:29 AM »
DIY Hotplate With Magnetic Stirrer

 In addition rare earth magnets from a hard drive will permanently lose most of their magnetism as soon as they get warm.


I never knew this, I had wondered how the comercial makers of stirrers got around the problem though.
 Looks like a search for the magnet after all, but it'll work properly this time.
 Thanks for that.

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Re: DIY hotplate with magnetic stirrer
« Reply #8 on: January 26, 2010, 07:47:15 AM »
So you are using the motor out of a normal hairdryer? I want to build a small low-pressure hydrogenation bottle c/w stirrer plate built into the system (thus no shaking), and I also have an old hairdryer to hand...

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Re: DIY hotplate with magnetic stirrer
« Reply #9 on: February 18, 2010, 06:36:07 PM »
very nice write up

After reading this I went and had a look at a coupla electric cookers I have here, lol i just shook me head and thought hmmmm why didnt i think of that hehehe

well done

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Re: DIY hotplate with magnetic stirrer
« Reply #10 on: February 19, 2010, 10:57:20 AM »
10/10 Prepuce1 for improvisation. ;D
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Re: DIY hotplate with magnetic stirrer
« Reply #11 on: February 24, 2010, 04:52:45 AM »
eesakiwi, forgive this very late reply. I suspect that commercial hotplate/stirrers are made with alnico magnets. They can deal with temps near 500C. The only other way to deal with the issue would be to use electromagnetic coils instead of permanent magnets. Some manufacturers do that, at the cost of increased complexity and price.

no1uno, the little motors in electric hairdryers work the best out of all the types I tried. You said, ". . . small low-pressure hydrogenation bottle c/w stirrer plate. . . "

I'm not sure what you were referring to by c/w, but if it means "clockwise" then I should tell you that hair dryer motors can't be relied upon to start in a particular direction. At least not as used in my writeup. Sometimes it will run CW, other times it runs CCW. Obviously the motors don't do that in the dryers, but how it's prevented I don't know. It never made a difference to me so I haven't looked into it. Most likely it's because they run on AC in the dryer.

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Re: DIY hotplate with magnetic stirrer
« Reply #12 on: April 20, 2011, 11:44:59 PM »
this one is the new one, rough work in progress but i knocked this out in about an hour yesterday. the base plate has a whole for a dimmer switch and a heat controller.

earlier in the week i designed a complete different one but the magnet holder plate was too heavy and the fan was too heavy ill post pics of that 1 too

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Re: DIY hotplate with magnetic stirrer
« Reply #13 on: April 21, 2011, 08:24:22 AM »
anyone know how i can remagnetize my stirbar?

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Re: DIY hotplate with magnetic stirrer
« Reply #14 on: April 21, 2011, 08:27:42 AM »
http://www.sciencemadness.org/talk/viewthread.php?tid=13628

I skimmed.... heat it up to the curie point than allow it to cool off in the presence of a strong magnet? (again - I skimmed.. not to sure if this works)
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Re: DIY hotplate with magnetic stirrer
« Reply #15 on: April 22, 2011, 12:11:38 AM »
This pasta machine motor http://www.nextag.com/pasta-machine-motor/stores-html works excellent for either as a magnetic stirrer or over-head machine motor with plenty of torque. 2 speed switch can be replaced with voltage controller.





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Re: DIY hotplate with magnetic stirrer
« Reply #16 on: June 10, 2011, 05:36:48 AM »
Nice find, WizardX. That would be a quick way to get the job done.

It looks like it's a geared drive, so it should have good torque. It may be a bit noisy, though, and the price is rather high, IMO. Geared motors are all over the place if you look for them, though. A barbecue rotisserie is one that comes to mind. Another is the motor that makes the rotating plate in a microwave oven turn. Both would be too slow, though, at least for magnetic stirring.

Vesp made an overhead stirrer from an electric mixer. It's posted around here somewhere.

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Re: DIY hotplate with magnetic stirrer
« Reply #17 on: January 29, 2012, 04:30:00 PM »
Awesome idea and great follow through!!

Might be easier (and cheaper) just to steal one :-)

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Re: DIY hotplate with magnetic stirrer
« Reply #18 on: January 29, 2012, 08:17:33 PM »
Or just buy one :P
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Re: DIY hotplate with magnetic stirrer
« Reply #19 on: January 29, 2012, 10:04:49 PM »
Or just buy one :P

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