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POSEIDON

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On the use of SWIM
« on: October 27, 2009, 03:19:50 AM »
First of all there is no need to use swim here as I personaly feel it insults everyones intelligence and will degrade the board to common tek type discussion which is unwanted. I feel that Meth tek has been done to death from every angle possible and I do not personaly feel the need to rehash old Rhodium text which have ruined the underground chemistry by making it the one and only pit stop for ideas...

Perhaps someone here can help you but I can not. Im interested in the mechanics as well but if you can please change the name of this thread to something other then just Glacial acetic acid because that is not what this thread is about. Its about the rate constant of the reduction of secondary alcohols in acetic acid using Iodine and red phosphorus.

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I feel it would be in the best interest of everyone here to follow these rules, However if you think another list of rules would be better, please let me know via a PM.

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« Reply #1 on: October 27, 2009, 04:17:01 AM »
Fair enough, but consider the fact that using swim is not impersonal I beg to differ. Many have tryed all have failed. No one will ever be protected by swim and it causes one a false sence of security IMHO thinking they can discuss anything as long as they swim away.

Its nothing personal Poseidon I just feel that swim is the worst legacy the hive left us with and makes the board appear lower on the chem ladder then it should.

A quick look at your post reveals there was no need at all for swim no matter what your thoughts on its use are'

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"I found this pdf in org syn about reduction with RP/I  and  glacial acetic acid.
I wonder if is true that with 2 1/2 hours of reflux  you make it , because I always think you need 24 hours at least , I utfse and dont find other refernce about glacial acetic acid and RP/I and the speed of the reaction (24 h to 2 1/2)"

Where did you see any part of the quote that denoted any form of illegle activity in the above post?

I am allowing this topic to stand as it is even though it was opened full of grammatical errors and a title that did not fit the bill but I feel it has potential for a good discussion.
If you would like to discuss my moral objectives and such further then PM me so as to not lead this further astray.
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« Reply #2 on: October 28, 2009, 12:50:21 AM »
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Posts should be timeless and impersonal

Saying the word "I" hardly gives away any information on who you are...  Saying or providing personal information that gives away who you are would be your name, where you live, etc

But one way would be to not use I or SWIM, etc. Just word what is said differently if one is concerned.

Instead of saying "I added X to Y and began refluxing" one could say "X was added to Y and refluxed" er... something like that.

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« Reply #3 on: October 28, 2009, 01:38:50 AM »
Just use the word "one" or "Other" in place of I or you or your pet cat.

example. "If one were to do this, then one would get this. OR One mixed A and B and got C. But yield for one was very low. Maybe others results would be better as one is not a professional chemist by any means etc."

Is that what is being stated??? Certainly keep it impersonal. I personally think that You saying swim or anything of the sort is not going to help in any way shape or form. If they want, they know who you are regardless of what you do. There is no point in such shit considering this. It doesn't really matter IMO. If they want you, they will get you and you can Swim all you want to them and they will just stand on your head and let you drown. It makes no difference...
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« Reply #4 on: October 28, 2009, 06:56:04 AM »
Just out of curiosity,is there any record or example of anyone (besides Stirke)having been prosecuted, in which statements made online and used as testimony,have had any bearing on a persons prosecution?

Does that make sense?

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« Reply #5 on: November 20, 2009, 12:01:14 PM »
if u going down they can nail you for bad breath it don't matter they'll put something on you just how it is. if you're in, your all in.

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« Reply #6 on: November 20, 2009, 02:19:37 PM »
There has been some recent discussion in this area and since this thread was brought back to light I am going to split it and make a new topic.
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« Reply #7 on: November 24, 2009, 06:17:23 AM »
Personally, there is a real risk of "Conspiracy" being made to stick if someone is openly talking about doing something illegal and requesting specific advice on how to so do (I don't regard safety type warnings/assistance in this category). I try hard not to respond to step-by-step type walkthroughs (especially with pics), as this could well lead to that outcome.

Generally I will talk about non-illegal chemistry / activities (might be somewhat shady, like whacking endone) but not specifically illegal with the intent to produce a prohibited substance in company with at least one other. Internet policing is getting way too much power and the cross-border alliances/policies scare the piss out of me.

That said, I am happy to discuss "hypothetical"/theoretical chemistry until the cows come home ;)
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Re: On the use of SWIM
« Reply #8 on: November 25, 2009, 01:26:26 PM »
I dont know why we have to discuss drug synth to be honest.
I like the idea that no1uno has discussing legit synth that you do your self is fine
theoretic drug synth well I have done this in the past and wish I had not.

the world is changing very quickly and with the web being archived if the laws change on
discussing the theory behind illegal activity we may all be in trouble.

even schedualed compounds I think might be a worry in the future but that at least
is not as bad as finished compounds.

maby instead of swiming for our own names we should be swimming the compounds them selves.
not saying swim mind you but useing no illegal compounds as our discussion topics.

I have made this mistake many times so I realy can not talk but I dont have the illusion that swim will save me.

examples of the way the world is going

http://resources.zdnet.co.uk/articles/features/0,1000002000,39454822,00.htm

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=97134

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/04/27/imp_consultation/

I would say there not the only ones and that most of the world is doing it or will be.
they just havent had it uncovered yet.

even if the rest of the world is not doing this all you need to do is think of the
echelon project    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Echelon_(signals_intelligence)

I like the idea of posting info on compounds that are not active for synthesis
and posting open info on pham on all compounds.

example of this would be instead of p2np napthyl2np I am sure the reduction and formation would
be the same.
though I may be wrong.

there seems to be no rp/i synths here so I would say the chemistry of the members is of a high enough
grade to know what can be done with a reaction with out it being spelt out.

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« Reply #9 on: December 02, 2009, 03:57:31 AM »
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Don't use SWIM or any variation of it - I find it annoying and I think it lowers the quality of posts - and thus the forum.











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Re: On the use of SWIM
« Reply #10 on: December 02, 2009, 04:02:06 AM »
Why doesn't everybody refer to their asshole neighbor,
like Nivram, who does all the dirty work around these parts.

i mean, if the fuzz came and asked where Nivram was,
I'd say  ???  WTF?  am i my brother's keeper??

find him yourOWnselves.. 
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« Reply #11 on: May 15, 2010, 03:05:58 AM »
I'm ADD and have a real tough time with SWIM - Someone who Is me? works the same as Someone who Isn't me.  And from reading about Strike and Eleusis et al I don't think it helped them any.  And trying to get the grammar correct drives me up the wall.

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« Reply #12 on: May 15, 2010, 04:12:08 AM »
No it didn't help any of them for one main reason. To the best of my knowledge there has never been a single post made by ANYONE used in the court of law. Hence if they knew enough about you to want to use your post that is the least of your problems.
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« Reply #13 on: May 15, 2010, 05:39:03 AM »
if I had a fish tattooed on my dick id call it swim :)

heya sedit hope ya doen well mate.

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Re: On the use of SWIM
« Reply #14 on: May 15, 2010, 08:03:20 PM »
No it didn't help any of them for one main reason. To the best of my knowledge there has never been a single post made by ANYONE used in the court of law. Hence if they knew enough about you to want to use your post that is the least of your problems.

Was reading part of Strike's case - a couple of detectives showed up freindly like and Strike & co was showing them around.  The report makes note of the fact that when they asked Strike how much safrole in Camphor oil he said 20% and they knew he was lying because his book and web site said otherwise.  So yes it is used to make the case, just may not show up in the court of law.  And I believe all the web stuff was in discovery as well.

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« Reply #15 on: May 16, 2010, 06:28:19 PM »
I think what no1uno has said is some great advice...
 I just don't like the use of SWIM because it has the tendencies to lead to ramblings similiar to jons, and I believe regardless of the content one posts, it can still lower the quality of the forum since it makes things harder to understand, plus, it would just be better to write what people have done by something to the nature of: "50 grams of an off white solid was slowly added over the course of..." instead of "I added 50 grams of..."
The first never even suggests that the OP was the person who did it -- especially if they choose to put it in quotation marks :D
That might be the better way to go about it.
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« Reply #16 on: May 16, 2010, 06:50:25 PM »
Im a big fan on the idea that people should focus on obtaining precursors then writting about the synthesis of a drug when ever possible. Tell me where to get AcOH, AcO2 or how to make Li[NH3]n instead of talking about what to do with it. Anyone that has any business using any of this should know what to do with it themselfs without much further discussion.

Most instances the entire MDMA writeup is well known by anyone that needs to know and if someone focused more on how they aminated propylene or halogenated E-?-butylene ect... then it leads to,

1: No need to incriminate yourself.
2: Higher level of discussion.
3: Confused LE woundering why people are aminating E-?-butylene.

Think about where the world would be right now if folks always discussed the reduction of a secondary alcohol to an alkane using HI/R instead of talking about how to make METH.
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« Reply #17 on: May 19, 2010, 08:04:56 PM »
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