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possible way of converting para dichloro benzene too hydroquinone and DMBenzene
« on: November 23, 2009, 05:51:46 AM »
The biggest problem with converting para dichloro benzene to hydroquinone is the unreactivity of the two
chlorine atoms. Only very small yeilds if any have been reported by bee's who have attempted it.

the ways I have hear about is fusion in caustic and by useing alkoxides.

well being on a DMSO frenzy I went back to gaylord and checked out some of the reactions that dont use
the dimsyl ion.

DMSO will increase the reactivity of a base in a Sn2 and a SnAr reaction.

this is just what wee (please excuse the pun) need for turning toilet lollies into film developer.

This is an undocumented idea and one well and truly worth experement.

It should be as simple as mixing 2 moles of KOH with 1 mole of p-Cl benzene in dmso then heating.
this should afford hydroquinone.

If your interested in the dimethoxy benzene instead then sodium or potassium methoxide would be what you want.

both of these extracts are from gaylord.

The displacement of aromatic halides by secondary amines in DMSO has been studied rather extensively. The fluoro-compounds undergo substitution by various nucleophiles, such as secondary aliphatic and alicyclic amines, at rates 100 to 1000 times faster than their chloro- analogs. The rate of displacement of fluorine is further enhanced by the order of 103 to 105 in dipolar aprotic solvents, such as DMSO, as compared with reactions in aprotic solvents [Miller, J.; Parker, A. J., J. Am. Chem. Soc. 83, 117-123 (1961)]. Thus, 4-fluoroacetophenone undergoes a very rapid displacement of the halogen by amines, such as morpholine, in DMSO and affords in high yields the corresponding 4-amino derivatives, which are otherwise difficult to prepare [Bader, H.; Hansen, A. R.; McCarty, F. J., J. Org. Chem. 31, 2319-2321 (1966)].


X = F, Cl, Br


The yields of products obtained in DMSO are higher than those obtained with DMF under comparable conditions.

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When the alkaline hydrolysis of methyl iodide is studied in the presence of hydroxyl ion in DMSO-water, the rate of hydrolysis increases with increasing DMSO content [Murto, J., Suomen Kemistilehti B34, 92-98 (1961)].

Similar results are obtained with other primary alkyl halides (iodides, bromides, chlorides)[Bockmann, T.; Haanaes, E.; Ugelstad, J. , Tidsskr. Kjemi. Bergv. Met. 24, No. 11, 209-215 (1964)]. The rate constants for the reaction of hydroxide ion with ring substituted benzyl chlorides in acetone-water and DMSO-water mixtures are reported as a function of both solvent composition and temperature. The reaction rate increases with increasing DMSO concentration but decreases with increasing acetone concentration [Tommila, E.; Pitkanen, I. P., Acta Chem. Scand. 20, 937-945 (1966)].

In another example, 1-chlorobutane (1 mole) was added over 15 minutes to a stirred suspension of NaCN (1.08 mol) in DMSO (250 ml) at 80°C. The mixture was cooled to maintain temp <140°C. After the addition was complete, the mixture was cooled and diluted with water to 1L. The aqueous mixture was extracted with ether (3 x 150 ml). The ether extracts were washed with 6N HCl, then water, dried over CaCl2, and evaporated yielding a residue which was distilled to provide the product in 93% yield. Adapted from J. Org. Chem., 25 1388 (1960).

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Re: possible way of converting para dichloro benzene too hydroquinone and DMBenzene
« Reply #1 on: November 24, 2009, 01:49:48 AM »
I like this idea, seems like it has some potential, but it still would be hard to beat making hydroquinone from paracetamol, wouldn't it?
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Re: possible way of converting para dichloro benzene too hydroquinone and DMBenzene
« Reply #2 on: November 24, 2009, 02:06:54 AM »
Not if it proves effective enough to convert the Di chlorobenzene in high yeilds. Mothballs are dirt cheep and considering the DMSO is nothing more then a solvent you are left with just the cost of NaOH so on an economic scale it may just prove a winner.
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Re: possible way of converting para dichloro benzene too hydroquinone and DMBenzene
« Reply #3 on: November 24, 2009, 02:12:08 AM »
Oh.. very good point! Another is also purity. Paracetamol is mixed with wax, cellulose, and probably some gummy weird stuff as well.

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Re: possible way of converting para dichloro benzene too hydroquinone and DMBenzene
« Reply #4 on: November 24, 2009, 05:56:40 PM »
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The displacement of aromatic halides by secondary amines in DMSO has been studied rather extensively. The fluoro-compounds undergo substitution by various nucleophiles, such as secondary aliphatic and alicyclic amines, at rates 100 to 1000 times faster than their chloro- analogs. The rate of displacement of fluorine is further enhanced by the order of 103 to 105 in dipolar aprotic solvents, such as DMSO, as compared with reactions in aprotic solvents [Miller, J.; Parker, A. J., J. Am. Chem. Soc. 83, 117-123 (1961)]. Thus, 4-fluoroacetophenone undergoes a very rapid displacement of the halogen by amines, such as morpholine, in DMSO and affords in high yields the corresponding 4-amino derivatives, which are otherwise difficult to prepare [Bader, H.; Hansen, A. R.; McCarty, F. J., J. Org. Chem. 31, 2319-2321 (1966)].
4-fluoroacetophenone is activated for substitution, because COCH3 group, as EWG group, is stabilizing the anion that is formed when nucleophile(amine) attacks position 4. In case of 1,4-dichlorobenzene, this would not happen

Why no mentions of Cu? Cu(I) salts are catalysts for non-activated halobenzenes, and it can be done for example by refluxing of methanol and chlorobenzene in the presence of K2CO3, Cu(I) salt.  
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Re: possible way of converting para dichloro benzene too hydroquinone and DMBenzene
« Reply #5 on: November 25, 2009, 09:41:19 AM »
Thankyou for that info zz-zhuchila truly to be able to turn tiolet lollies into hydroquinone would be cool.

I have a lot still to learn about chemistry having left my degree before I had finished (to many girls at uni)
I think it might be time for me to hit the books on electron adding and withdrawing groups.

I wonder if DMSO would help a Cu salt to do this ( sorry I havent checked the solubilty in DMSO yet)

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Re: possible way of converting para dichloro benzene too hydroquinone and DMBenzene
« Reply #6 on: November 25, 2009, 02:37:58 PM »
probably yes, dmso is a good solvent anyway, it improves nucleophilic properties of nucleophiles (maybe it would not speed up the reaction  too much, but who knows.. )as for me i'll try to find some procedures that use Cu.
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Re: possible way of converting para dichloro benzene too hydroquinone and DMBenzene
« Reply #7 on: November 25, 2009, 10:45:52 PM »
All Copper salts appear poorly soluble in DMSO hence the reason I suggested to you to use a Copper cathode to prevent the Nitrate ions from fucking up further reactions in the Dimsyl synthesis. Im sure there are exceptions to Copper salts being of low solubility but as it stands most appear pretty much insoluble for any practical uses.
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Re: possible way of converting para dichloro benzene too hydroquinone and DMBenzene
« Reply #8 on: November 26, 2009, 10:22:20 AM »
dahhh dumb ass me sorry sedit you told me this before :)

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Re: possible way of converting para dichloro benzene too hydroquinone and DMBenz
« Reply #9 on: October 27, 2010, 06:50:05 AM »
I'm curious if light could be useful in initiating this reaction.  Any reason this couldn't be accomplished in distilled water?  or perhaps in liquid p-DCB as it has a low melting point.  I really think light could be the key to exciting the chlorines enough to make them reactive.

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Re: possible way of converting para dichloro benzene too hydroquinone and DMBenzene
« Reply #10 on: October 30, 2010, 12:53:01 AM »
what is the hypothetical procedure for paracetamol to hydroquinone?

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Re: possible way of converting para dichloro benzene too hydroquinone and DMBenzene
« Reply #11 on: October 30, 2010, 12:15:24 PM »
Reaction with Nitric and Hydrochloric acid under 40*C.
Over that you start to get chlorinated side products.
There is a good link on the DOx thread.

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Re: possible way of converting para dichloro benzene too hydroquinone and DMBenzene
« Reply #12 on: October 31, 2010, 12:23:15 AM »
Thanks micro, interesting impressive link as well....nitric acid is not exactly otc...do most just synth nitric acid as well?

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Re: possible way of converting para dichloro benzene too hydroquinone and DMBenzene
« Reply #13 on: October 31, 2010, 03:54:46 PM »
btw, nitric acid may be of use for this thread theme, to activate chlorine of dichlorobenzene for nucleophilic substitution. Nitration may require harsh conditions but after it is done - one of chlorines(adjacent to NO2) may be easily substituted to OH or OR, SR (any nucleophile, maybe even acetone/base to get 2-nitro-4-chloro P2P). The second chlorine may be removed by several means: oxidation/reduction(in case of first Cl was substituted to OH), Cu salt/alcoholate or hydroxide. Also this may be feasible to make some 3-alkoxy-4-alkyl PEAs (alkoxy is derived from reduction of NO2, nitrosation and decomposion of diazo salt in alcohol, alkyl form substitution of Cl to, say, malonic diester enolate followed by hydrolysis and decarboxylation, another chlorine is converted to phenethylamine by means of gringard that undergoes michael addition to methyl acrylate/methacrylate, followed ammonolysis and hoffman rearrangement).
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Re: possible way of converting para dichloro benzene too hydroquinone and DMBenzene
« Reply #14 on: October 31, 2010, 06:23:42 PM »
Btw guys, have you read the topic on p-DCB on SM?
They did talk about nitrating it and feared that it might produce less pleasant toxic compounds.
But I might be talking from my ass here, I'm going on my memory.

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Re: possible way of converting para dichloro benzene too hydroquinone and DMBenzene
« Reply #15 on: November 01, 2010, 01:56:42 AM »
I found an article which seems to confirm my suspicions: http://cdpr.ca.gov/docs/emon/pubs/fatememo/paradichlorobenzene.pdf

"Direct photolysis of p-DCB was reported by and additional investigation to study the transformation of p-DCB in pure water resulted in photohydrolysis to 4-chlorophenol, with the additional products hydroquinone and hydroxybiphenyls resulting from secondary reactions detected by flourescence (Meunier et al., 2001)."

p-DCB is dirt cheap!  I could not find yields for photohydrolysis, but I think we could all come up with some by running this incredible cheap experiment at a variety of conditions.  I'm also curious if addition of sodium hydroxide would yield a predominately hydroquinone product.

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Re: possible way of converting para dichloro benzene too hydroquinone and DMBenzene
« Reply #16 on: November 01, 2010, 02:03:22 AM »
Yes, we've already got a few articles in the loperamide thread, the ref request thread, and gsd just fulfilled one of my req from SM. Depending on your choice of solvent, you could get benzene and chlorobenzene as well. IMO you need an aprotic solvent in which to dissolve an excess of hydroxide and the dichlorobenzene.

Edit: You should look up the SRN1 rxn if you haven't already, and then you might have a better concept of this rxn.

Can photolysis rxns be performed in DMSO? I saw the title of a meeting abstract that read, "PHOTOCHEMICAL CONVERSION OF DMSO TO TRIMETHLYLSULFONIUM METHANESULFONATE" (but I think it should read TRIMETHLSULFONIUM), and so I'm curious about DMSO's suitability as a solvent for this rxn.
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Re: possible way of converting para dichloro benzene too hydroquinone and DMBenzene
« Reply #17 on: November 01, 2010, 06:50:51 PM »
i wonder if it is possible to photolyticly substitute chlorine not for OH, but something more interesting (like acetonyl anion)
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Re: possible way of converting para dichloro benzene too hydroquinone and DMBenzene
« Reply #18 on: November 01, 2010, 08:56:33 PM »
It looks possible from the references enkidu put up.  This could possibly be an interesting route to p2p among other aromatic compounds.

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Re: possible way of converting para dichloro benzene too hydroquinone and DMBenzene
« Reply #19 on: December 21, 2010, 09:51:48 PM »
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as for me i'll try to find some procedures that use Cu.
did not find anything for chlorine substitution yet, only for bromine
"A 165-g (0.59 mol) batch of 3,5-Dibromo-4-hydroxybenzaldehyde in 156 mL of methanol and 312 mL of anhydrous DMF was reacted during 4.0 h with 4.78 moles of freshly prepared sodium methoxide in the presence of 9.45 g (0.047 mol) of cuprous chloride under the conditions described previously for the conversion of 5 to give 153.3 g (88% yield) of 3,5-dimethoxy-4-hydroxybenzaldehyde, mp 105-108°C."
i suppose, with slightly prolonged reaction time and maybe under pressure it would be possible to convert chlorine as well. I will be posting here everything that i would find on chlorine substitution
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