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shroomedalice

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Lithium Nitride Lithium Hydride LAH related compounds and their use
« on: December 09, 2009, 04:03:33 AM »
Well SEDIT has uncovered a true marvel here and I am going to take the Dimsyl thread way off topic so I think
his wonderfull discovery deserves another thread of its own  :D

Lithium Nitride may prove to be a much simpler method for the home chemist then achiveing LiH or LiNH2 to synthesis the Dimsyl ion. Li3N is synthesized thru the direct combination of the elements just as LiH and LiNH2 is yet obtaining dry Ammonia is next to impossible and im not so sure that heating Lithium and Hydrogen is such a great idea considering the big boom factor in the equation. However Nitrogen can be had for a fair price with ease. There are a couple methods for producing it and one that caught my attention recently was one where it was prepaired in mineral oil whose density lies between that of Lithium and Lithium Nitride and Nitrogen is feed into the mixture under high stirring. Since the reaction is exothermic the temperature can be controlled by the amount of Nitrogen introduced into solution. After completion of the reaction the Lithium Nitride sinks where the unreacted Lithium floats. You can also produce it by heating it in a N2 atmosphere but for some reason this is said to produce an impure product.

Ok down to the chemistry of the reaction. Lithium Nitride is such a Powerful base its stronger the Alkali amides and Alkali hydrides like LiH. It is so powerful its able to deprotonate hydrogen itself givin this reaction according to wiki and quite a few other sources, Li3N + 2H2 = LiNH2 + 2LiH. LiNH2 reacts with DMSO to yeild LiDMSO and NH3 and LiH yeilds LiDMSO and H2. As you can see Lithium Nitride may prove to be an accessible reagent for the production of Dimsyl ions.

Lithium nitride synthesis - US2910347.PDF
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Re: Lithium Nitride Lithium Hydride LAH related compounds and their use
« Reply #1 on: December 09, 2009, 07:00:09 AM »
How are you gonna stir that shit at 9,000 - 10,000 rpm? I don't think my hotplate stirs that fast.

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Re: Lithium Nitride Lithium Hydride LAH related compounds and their use
« Reply #2 on: December 09, 2009, 10:41:31 AM »
[Another member deleted his post after suggesting a dremel.] I doubt that a dremel tool will hold up under those conditions. Stirring must be very rapid, otherwise the lithium will collect in larger droplets.
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Re: Lithium Nitride Lithium Hydride LAH related compounds and their use
« Reply #3 on: December 11, 2009, 02:06:45 PM »
How about making borohydrides? IIRC they can be manufactued via electrolysis of certain boron compounds in MeOH or a bunch of other solvents.
Lead electrodes should work if some patents are to belive.
Electrolysis of some oxide of boron in anhydrous MeOH with lead electrodes does not sound too hard.

Sorry for hijack.

But now on the subject of lithium nitride.
If some time is spent manufacturing casing a brushless motor could be closed inside the reaction apparatus. Granted, the idea is not very practical, but it is a idea still.

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Re: Lithium Nitride Lithium Hydride LAH related compounds and their use
« Reply #4 on: December 12, 2009, 05:15:06 AM »
yes I deleted my posts as I found them to be of little use to this thread :)

Lithium Aluminum Hydride, Aluminum Hydride and Lithium Gallium Hydride, and Some of their Applications in Organic and Inorganic Chemistry
A. E. Finholt, A. C. Bond Jr., H. I. Schlesinger
J. Am. Chem. Soc.1947, 69 (5), pp 1199–1203

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