Argument 2

   1. I exist.
   2. My existence must have a cause.
   3. The cause must be either:

        a) myself
        b) my always having existed
        c) my parents
        d) something less perfect than God
        e) God

    4. Not a. If I had created myself, I would have made myself perfect.
    5. Not b. This does not solve the problem. If I am a dependent being, I need to be continually sustained by another.
    6. Not c. This leads to an infinite regress.
    7. Not d. The idea of perfection that exists in me cannot have originated from a non-perfect being.
    8. Therefore, e. God exists. [/i]

I disagree with point three. I choose option f) my mother gave birth to me.

I like to nicely explain that if we can call gravity a theory we can damb well call god a theory too.

other than that every one has the right to belive what they want in my eyes.

Gravity is indeed a theory. One that I believe is wrong at that. I could go on for hours on my views of "God" but I wont because iv been in one of those moods lately where I quite frankly hate typing.

But god as with gravity is a notion that came from misunderstanding of observation and filling in the blanks with guessing. We dont know the beggining and the end is surely out of our sites so why bother with the whole of wasting time on trying to concieve it. If you die and go to a hell then what of it? Same as with heaven. The here and now is what matters nothing more until god comes down and bitch slaps me for saying this. I have wasted years of my short life contemplating the notion of a god and I have come to the conclusion it talks to all of us but only some are crazy enough to hear what he has to say. Kind of like reading between the lines on multiple conversations at once.

If you still feel the need to try to comprehend something so much larger then yourself be prepaired to lose your sanity if you egt anyware close to your goal.

haha!!!
we used to trip acid go to the goth discoteque and watch this kind of shit with skinny puppy playing in the background I thought that kind of shit was laughable, especially on lsd.

oh and newsflash, God just told me if i don't raise a million dollars by sunday (for the ministry of course) i'm a dead dick  :'(

God exist...
I talk to him all the time and unlike crazy people he answers me.....


Hell I even taught a couple other people how to talk to him as well...

Ill explain deeper and sound more psycotic at a later date because its a very basic yet extremely complicated view on the true nature of reality and human conscience that im pretty sure I don't fully understand myself. Basicly it can in effect be said that you can talk to "god" in the radio, TV, other peoples conversations, or anything able to produce speach independent of your influence...and recieve and answer to the question. Its just a matter of training yourself(shutting down thought and allowing it to go on aut pilot) to listen in on the collective conscienceness. Almost everyone gets brief flashes of this, if even for a fleeting second, atlest once or twice in there life rigt before they fall asleep . That in itself is "god". The combined movements,energys,sounds,lights ect... of the entire universe working in a harmony that most people appear to miss because they are to wrapped up in themselfs to read between the lines. When in a loud crowded room sometime where several groups of people are having seperate conversations I challenge anyone to instead of listening to one of the groups conversations try to relax somewhere out of the way and listen to ALL there conversation at once. Almost as if they where overlapping on each other. Once you get in the right state of mind your brain will start to turn all there conversations into a fluid dialog consisting of only a single topic which is more then likely one of your choosing.

My hackish understanding of the concept came to light years ago when weed started making me nuts. One hit and it was as though I lost Ego and all sense of self anymore. Thoughts poured thru my head but they did not directly seem to come from my own doing and it was thinking in a more intense rapid fluid nature simular to how it feels when your on LSD just slower and easy to comprehend. Instead of the focus most have when they are having a conversation or thinking deeply about a topic I started to notice strange things in crowded rooms, like small partys and such , where seperate groups of people where having very different conversations yet they appears to be finishing others sentances and answering other groups questions even though they where in no way payin attention to each other and in many cases where seperated by well over 20-30 feet..

So I toyed around waiting till i was in the correct mindset and asking questions to no one at all, where no one would hear me, and others in the or general vacinity would answer the questions in strange ways. Take for example... I ask "Whats so and so's favorite color" out of the blue in an instant out of the mist of the now static sounding noise of a large crowd of people I would hear someones conversation increase in tone to say... Green street.....This may seem coincedential and indeed it is but that group knew nothing of the question asked into thin air and where discussing where someone lived meaning that the direct timeing of them naming a color at the very instance the question was asked starts to becme highly unlikely yet at the same tim increases in odds the larger the crowd size is. So confermation was inorder and indeed when asked straight up so and so admitted there favorite color was green.

It may sound stupid but that was the first example of positive reinforcement the idea had and it spawned a whole new way of looking at things that is based of the science of sympathy and interconnection of every piece of mass in the cosmos.

To avoid goin any furtherinto the realm of insainity im not so sure i completely understand myself I will chose to bite my toung for now but my basic idea can be sadly traced back to biblical roots..


"Man was created in gods image",,, not because some magical being came down and made man to look like him but because man themselfs are the creator of god and the so called god is nothing more then the inner workings of the mind and universe that our "higher logic" filters in the human brain normaly filter out because trust me if the filter is turned down even just a little bit and the true nature of were thoughts originate from begin to present themselfs you can bet that a trip to the funny farm or a complete withdrawl from society is imminate. I believe that the effects of LSD are what happens when one bypasses the parts of the brain that alter perception to suit the individals current task at hand. In doing so the subject feels the love and knowledge of every thought, from every point, ever made in space and time, all become a single thought form beyond the controle of the subjects normal conscience.




I have so much more to say and I could go on for hours since its been the focus of intense study for over a decade now but I must close for the moment with one last suggestion.
If you believe any of this you are a fool. ------ Chances are your taking my word on blind faith and thats just not what one should do when attemptin to understand a force never seen before
If you believe non of this.... once again.. you are a fool.... Pulll your head out of your ass and understand that after my very first LSD trip being a bipolar patiant at that I experiened somethings that required explaining but due to the rapid influx of ideas in that state it taked YEARS for even your subconsious to make sence of what just happened in the last 12 hours. After Many...many many................more experments in an effort to understand something that happened multiple times when under the influence of LSD,( that I wont even mention for fear of sounding crazy even in this psycotic post)I started to realize that what I at first though was delusional logic triggered by a drug, was in essence more alongthe lines of reality the way it really is without a persons EGO in the way of seein feeling and hearing the conscience thoughts of everyliving organism on the face of the planet.

But perhps maybe....just maybe you open those dense little self centered egotistical heads of most of yalls and begin thinking outside the box while observing the interaction of the human zoo. For me all it takes is abit of pot and my ego is dissolved which caused me to stop smoking it because I didnt like what I learned about te world around meand the true intentons of those inhabiting it. If that works for you try to find a place where you can have a gods eye view of a large dense crowd while still allowing yourself to hear them,get yourself really really high to the point where there no longer a bunch of people but you can truel view thm as a single large organism with waves of sound and energy movin thru it determining everythought and action of the the individual cells....... and then come back and deny me after your test that everything I stated above is a bunch of horseshit.... When two people in the crowd, at the same exact time, seperated from each other so much tha direct influenc is impossibe, decide to do the same exact thing such as simutainiously dropping two seperate glasses....... Welll thatsabout the point in time where you will begn tounderstand te full potential of what im saying in this post.

Or for those of you that are just fucking lazy and want the easy way out try getting really high on weed to the point where the doorknoob has a suddend hidden quality you never noticed before(yall have to know that state of mindim taking about here..... ) And then ask outloud if sedits crazy and turn your radio or TV on and see what they haveto tink of me... Remeber the more random the better "God" will time things to how they need to be.... Helll its not like theres a such thing as freewill anyway.

I just want to add a minor note to all of what I rambled off the top of my head last night. Anyone that knows a few things about the nature of sympathetic vibrations knows as long as one thing vibrates all around it vibrates a various harmonics of that base frequency.

Thoughts are electrical impulses thru the nervous system and the common consensus is that is where consciencesness occures. Since we are going deep into philosophy here I feel no hindrences in saying I feel this is complete bullshit. Conscienceness and all your thoughts start in the base frequency of your body which is also ironicly the only organ in the body that spontantiously generates electrical pulses without the outter influence of chemical messengers. This source of conscience and thoughts is no other then your heart. In a tissue culture heart cells seperated will all beat at various frequencys and out of sync yet when they contact each other and form masses of cells they take on each others beat aka vibration to all beat in sync.

I feel the Egyptions have been wrongly laughed at for taking so much care in preserving the heart due to there believe which is the same as mine.

On a side note.... Sympathetic vibrations and attract and repell and you can take a tuneing fork next to a balloon and it will attract it if another object is vibrating out of sync it will repel it hence you have the source of that instant connection with people or the instant instinct that they are no good.


Im trying to figure a way to prove my theory that thoughts are in the heart and in doing so I think I may be able to cause people to experiancs something simular to telepathy. At the vary least they should be able to experiane the emotions of each other even when seperated by a LARGE distance. Its just a matter of figuring out how to sync there body rythms mainly the heart.

c) 'as you sow,so shall you reap" i put it slightly differently,,"you get what you give, just not (neccessarily) where you gave it"...'i think' this is where the 'freewill' bit comes into it

This is more then likely where our common thoughts differ. I believe in NO freewill. You where born when you where suppose to be predetermined billions of years ago and will die right on cue. What your doing right now reading this text is something that was unavoidable well before you where even born because the laws of physics that determine the motion of the atoms your made of have been set in stone longer then written history.

"What you give is what you get"....

Every religion, cult, occult belief has preached this thru history. Well.... Its nonsence.
Sounds good in theory and a great way to keep your population undercontrole from going completely apeshit but in all truth its physicaly impossible. Emotions are energy. Electrical impusles thru a type of wire. I can not put two positive electrical terminals together and get any sort of current to flow.

If that makes sense then think about this. There are sayings... "Nice guys finish last"... This is pretty much true. You ever seen that one asshole freind that starts more trouble then should be humanly possible always seems to have all the luck...all the girls... all the fun.

Why is he not getting what hes putting out? Theory states he should be in the gutter in a matter of weeks yet everyones BOSS is an asshole.

In physics for all positive energy there is negative energy. Its a one direction street. That person being a dick aint going to get that back hes going to get "good energy" back to fill the void he just created by expending his negative....Little esoteric of an explination and slightly off base from exactly what I mean but you get the point. Show me an asshole in the gutter and lost everything he loves and I might change my views but I challenge you to find one. Then look at the social status of the nice guy. Odds are he has been fucked over more then anyone you have ever seen being taken advantage of by even his closest of freinds.

Let me just summerize a bit..... Karma sounds great because it would mean we all get great rewards for enduring the suffering of being kind but theory does not always conform with reality especially when the theory is based on nothing more then someones hopes. The minute you get the positive pole of a magnet to attract another positive pole let me know. The theory of Karma is backwards. The more you make other people feel like crap the more they act as a place for entropy to flow. Give a nice bum a dollar to make him happy and within a day or so some other bum(or more thne likely someone that already has a wad of cash in thr pocket) will rob you for more then a dollar!

ahhh sedit ...........hmmmmmmmmmmmm?   "if' as you suggest that (which kinda surprise me coz it half goes against your "listening to god" stuff--which must be 'pre-ordained" if thats the case )

Perhaps but I guess it depends on what your definition of god is. There are thousands of religions out there and I can say in good faith that every single one of them have gotten it wrong. On that note im 100% positive that my view of what "God" is(and i use that term very loosely) is also off. But that is the nature of science and when trying to understand the incomprehensible you must be willing to admit when you where on the wrong path and this is where religion goes wrong.
Having said that when i compair my views of a collective conscienceness as in itself god it becomes no stretch of the imagination to state the "coincidences" im hearing from having a radio or TV answer questions in some strange esoteric way must be in itself the voice of "god"...

with the words "laws' and physics" i just gotta ask you "what the fuck IS LIGHT? a wave? a particle? what is "gravity?",,,,,,,"how many dimensions in your world?" "what is the 'difference' between "life" and "non-life"  could "evolution' occur if there were no 'randomness' in this "multiverse?"

I love this question and I wish I had an answer but what I can tell you is that I do not buy into the common view that light is a partical and a wave. Since EM waves are made from the motion of particals thats akin to saying that its the chicken and the egg. It may help as a useful model when performing physical calculations but I feel at its core it is fundementaly flawed.
Even with gravity I have a theory about it that I feel oneday may be proven true but i am unable to think of a means of proving it. I feel that it is an effect of the expansion of the universe and when an object is dropped its not falling anywhere but its sitting in freespace and its the ground that catches up to it. Issue would be how to do you measure a change in an objects size if the ruler your using is expanding also. In that case it will always be the same reading even if both objects are expanding. I think iv come close to figuring out something Involving observing distance steller objects and looking for a small variation it the distance between them but first i must figure out what this variation will be.

Sounds far fetched and like I said science takes constant morphing of ones belief before comming to the final conclusion. Iv rattled my brains relativly recently in an attempt to provide a mathmatical model of how this would work but since being medicated a couple years ago my ability to problem solve, focus, and retain information is just no where near what it use to be.

i'm sure you have heard of buckminster-fuller after whom "fullerenes" are named--he wrote a book in the early 80's called "the critical path' you may have seen it--most intereting to consider it retrospectively from 2010

I know who your talking about but never heard tell of the book so i might look into it if you feel its worth reading.


PS: multiverse BAH don't even get me started on that nonsence.

Hows this for "Karma" at work huh?
http://www.aolnews.com/nation/article/kitty-genovese-2010-people-walked-by-hugo-alfredo-tale-yax-as-he-lay-dying/19454372?icid=main|main|dl1|link5|http%3A%2F%2Fwww.aolnews.com%2Fnation%2Farticle%2Fkitty-genovese-2010-people-walked-by-hugo-alfredo-tale-yax-as-he-lay-dying%2F19454372

Save a woman whos getting mugged you would think this homeless fellow who has obviously had all the bad luck he could possibly get would catch a break right? Nope he gets stabbed to death by the mugger.... but its ok because Karma and god will make it right....right? Nope people walk on by some taking pictures even as he lies there dieing in a pool of blood..... This goes on for about 1 and a half hours before anyone calls for help...

Yeh........ something tells me Karma and god don't really give two shits how ya live your life.

bravo! bravo! sedit i give you an
A++++
now if there were such a loving
god all one has to do is wake up and see what bleak reality we all face.
it is a smart strqtegy to hqve a puppet to cast blame upon.