Thank you but in reality for once someone has touched off a nerve in me stronger then that hit by the WODs.

The war on drugs is a side effect of those who feel pleasure should be restricted and must be a direct result of evil if one experiences something that they find pleasure in in the material world.

I just don't believe that so many have followed this mess for so long in the hopes it would lead them to a utopia when the quest for it has lead to nothing but torment for almost everyone that has crossed paths with the religion. It teaches to throw away everything you have and you will find happieness. This makes little sense.

I gotta go but I could preach for hours on end, things that would make believers call me an antichrist but hey, I have never asked anyone to kill in order to believe the words I say.

What does the platypus have to do with the work of god? Im not being a troll I really want you to explain more as the more peoples views on god I get the more information I have to accurately discribe him to myself.

I use to believe in a god (went to church) and then gods(various religons peeked my intrest)... then nothing... But now....

I see that in light of the fact that all the old religions where base in a time frame of ignorence there logic must have been flawed. They just did not have information about the universe that was needed to come to any sort of conclusion about a god. These are the same people that wanted to kill because someone said that the earth was not the center of the universe. Given the track record of the past gods and the strange means that coincidence works in the universe im left with no other options then those that I see right in front of my face.

Try this sometimes. Watch the news. Look for something odd. A bus crash full of children or something. With in a time frame of 2 days(to two weeks but thats rare) there will be another incident in the news with striking simularitys. The old saying is everything happens in threes, I feel it happens in twos since only two peeks and one trough are needed to make a wave. Gravitational waves are to blame and in a sence the movment of everything thru the force of gravity is itself an act of god.

I feel that Agnosticism is a fact but non the lest that should not stop one from seeking there own version of a higher power. Consider this, there is a distance in space, The deeper we look in the cosmos the faster things appear to be moving. Sooner or later we will see that expansion is faster then the speed of light. We will never be able to see beyond this band of space and what lies beyond that is Agnostic. We will never be able to prove whats out there no matter what.... Right now! Sooner or later we invent something that moves us closer to that area and we begin to peer beyond it. This is why no one with Agnostic beliefs should use it as an excuss to blindly follow or give up hope.

I don't feel my view of a god is word play but more or less just a simplified way of expressing what controls the entire universe. Somewhere along the way there has to be formed a universal god requiring no input from humans whatsoever in its appearence or emotions.


Im sure aliens exist.......
Who do they worship? Christ? Doubt it they never met the guy.

man you have an intersting take on things.

If I spoke up more you would see that im much stranger then I seem.... It gets far stranger then im letting on as well trust me.

Perhaps my belief system is built around psychosis but im more apt to say that the spurts of psychosis are what allowed me to see things from the angle I do today. Its akin to taking a hit of LSD and having that "all the information of the universe flowing thru you" feeling while still in the state of mind to comprehend the hallucinations and strange logic path. I think schizophrinics are the smartest people on the face of the planet if one was able to tap into that amount of knowledge in there head but the problem is when they try to access the information there heads contain, it turns into a jumbled mess.

I feel that Agnosticism is a fact but non the lest that should not stop one from seeking there own version of a higher power.

Agreed!  People that think they're SO PROFOUND when they say their faith is agnostic, remind me of people that love philosophical discussions, but usually their response to something is:
"Well, that's -your- opinion, which is different from my uniqie -perspective-"
"...umm yeah I kinda was hoping we could accept that allmighty truth and move on"
"well that's -your- persp......blah blah"

What i'm trying to say is, that it's taken as given, that when someone makes a statement, they are -proposing- something.  They are postulating.  I mean otherwise I do enjoy making it clear that I am agnostically-agnostic.  You see because, I don't feel i have the right to just blindly assume agnosticism as true, so I ALLOW for the POSSIBILITY that the agnostic doctrine MIGHT be correct.  See where I'm going with this?
People always assess philosophical and spiritual statements as boolean values.  Often times the first statement they stumble upon which easy lends itself to a 1:True evaluation rather than 0:False one, they think they've found their religion.

But it's also important to put that truth one a scale, if you will.  Yes the agnostic assertion is correct, but it doesn't even cause my milligram scale to flutter!

What does the platypus have to do with the work of god? Im not being a troll I really want you to explain more as the more peoples views on god I get the more information I have to accurately discribe him to myself.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Platypus

The Platypus is sometimes jokingly referred to as proof that God has a sense of humour

Well for me, it's like killing two birds with one stone.  The existense of this being proved to me that God has a sense of humour, even when I didn't believe in God in the first place.
Dramatization:
"Hmm, wow, there's no doubt about it, only an intelligence, and truthfully witty omnipotent being could have schemed this up.  What a perfect parody. "
"Oops!  OK so then i guess God does exist.  OK fine"

Consider the Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy 'babelfish' parody on european theistic discourse.


Yeah I went full circle, too, Sedit.  I took my cross off for the first time when I was 16.
Jon, our stance overlaps very much so, because I despise Judeo-Christianity.  This is because my faith is not only inherently hedonistic, but also because of two millenia of violent repression.

Sedit, I have observed the indisputable existence of synchronicity as well.  There was a brief period where I felt there was something supernatural about it, but that was before I learned a bit more about science.
Consider not only Carl Jung, but discoveries in paralinguistics.  Synchronicity is just a shear reality.

I try to avoid people and especially don't try to convince them of anything except leave us ALONE!!  (except people I meet online....)

If you want to have some fun try to convince me not to believe in the PTB (Powers that Be) which is our personal version of "God".

I used to not believe in any thing other than hard science but I changed my mind.  Science is every bit as much based on faith as any religion you choose to look at.

salat

Couldn't have said it better myself.  This was always particulerly obvious to me because I was born in, and my parents where raised in, a communist country.  Atheism/Materialism was every bit as ugly as judeo-christianity. Speaking of anything that suggested God or spirituality, was LITERALLY treated as blasphemy.  You would be put in prison.  My mother was a member of a clandestine operation of people studying Yoga!  I shit you not, people would be put in jail for openly talking about Yoga.

see the problem with religions is most are what you call fundamentalist.
which means whatever text they believe in they take it 100% literally.
like if the bible says cut your balls off if you get a woody some people take it that far.
fundamentalism of any form makes the world a dangerous place.
if i thought i was going to pop 17 cherries and live in a mansion after i blew myself up screaming allah akbar!! and really believed that to be the absolute truth and i lived i some shithole like pakistan you bet your balls i do it.

OK i get the feeling no one read my long winded response.  I don't blame you.  You athiests clearly weren't ready for it anyway...

if i thought i was going to pop 17 cherries and live in a mansion after i blew myself up screaming allah akbar!! and really believed that to be the absolute truth and i lived i some shithole like pakistan you bet your balls i do it.

hahahah well put
I disagree though, it's not the religions fault, its because the person is a gullible moron and cant see he's being manipulated

see the problem with religions is most are what you call fundamentalist.
which means whatever text they believe in they take it 100% literally.
like if the bible says cut your balls off if you get a woody some people take it that far.
fundamentalism of any form makes the world a dangerous place.

sorry I don't see how religion, or fundamentalism is the cause.  It's not even a factor that coincides.
i.e.  Soldiers are told a bullshit story about some little country they're invading, is in trouble.  In reality the little country stop being their tribute, but just like a suicide bomber believes the BS about heaven, the same way the soldiers, who may all be athiests, believe the tear jerking story, and they go in and kill a bunch of people.

Jon, all the points you bring up only really apply to judeo-christianity, which is so different from all other religions it should have it's own classification.  It's structured primarily around sexual repression, just as any authoritarian society is.  It's mind control disguised as a religion. It was with great effort that judeo-christianity was forcibly supplanted onto the people of europe(edit:  correction, most of the world.  I forgot for a second that Islam is still Judeo-Christianity.  People actually weren't happy to hear that they couldn't have fun anymore, for quite some time.  The mass conversion always happened by force, and with lots of covert deception.  The old holidays where given new names and new meanings.  Finally when people trully started feeling guilty about sex, did civilized society go to shit.
That's when people started doing vile, heartless things to each other in the name of God.
Yet the manipulaters most likely responsible for any intentional planning of all this, where quietly continuing to bask in the glory of shameless pleasure and debauchery.