Author Topic: rumors of extending the csa act to schedules III, & IV  (Read 84 times)

jon

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rumors of extending the csa act to schedules III, & IV
« on: January 23, 2010, 04:54:20 AM »
anyone heard of this? you know there are a lot of conservative democrats out there who would vote this to keep thier seats.
it seems as this legistlature convenes they are considering this.
the implications would be very broad for example if someone intended to order phenazepam and the law was made retroactive they could get retractively butt fucked for said action.
anyone up on this proposed likely to pass draconian bullshit?
if so swij is going to fuck that loophole wide open before they get the bill passed.
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Re: rumors of extending the csa act to schedules III, & IV
« Reply #1 on: January 23, 2010, 08:00:53 AM »
It would be VERY unusual for a penal statute to be construed so as to apply retrospectively (for starters, Ex Post Facto Law is prohibited by the US Constitution, Art.1, s.9 which states, inter alia... No bill of attainder or ex post facto Law shall be passed...."). Simply stated, if at the present time what you do is NOT positively proscribed by law, it is legal. There is a real problem with retrospective imposition of criminal liability, because, if the act was legal at the time it was undertaken, then there could not possibly be the requisite "intent" to act in a manner contrary to the laws of the Country/State/whatever. As 'most'* penal statutes require both an "actus reus" (Guilty Act) and "mens rea" (Guilty Mind, also known as intent), there can be no criminal culpability in acting in accordance with the laws as they stand at the time of the act in question. Insofar as the retrospective imposition of criminal liability, the Courts would be unlikely to uphold the validity of any such legislation, it would be correctly construed as an interference by the Legislative arm of the Government with the Judiciary, and as such it would raise SERIOUS questions with regard to the Separation of Powers and the Rule of Law  (Read this from the House of Lords).

* Cf the Drugs Misuse Act 1986 (Qld), where it was held by the High Court of Australia, that no intent was necessary in order to prove possession of an illegal substance, mere possession was enough (although, despite this it is still regarded via the benchbook that it is necessary for the prosecutor to establish that the person expected or somehow knew of the existence of the parcel, without which Tabe v The Queen [2005] HCA 59 does not apply, see for example WA v R [2007] WASCA 42, where the Western Australian Court of Criminal Appeal held that the "Prosecution must establish an awareness or belief in the likelihood, in the sense that there is a significant or real chance, that the item in question was a prohibited drug" I personally am aware of at least one case where Tabe has been upheld with that modification, insofar as the prosecution needed to establish that the item that the person knowingly possessed was, to their knowledge, a dangerous drug or that it was reasonably suspected to be so (It was a controlled delivery, where unlike Tabe the "drug" was in the form of pills, which in this instance were labeled as being paracetamol and could not reasonably be suspected of being a dangerous drug).
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Re: rumors of extending the csa act to schedules III, & IV
« Reply #2 on: January 24, 2010, 01:26:13 AM »
well C III and CIV analouges mostly benzodiazeoienes are open season
phenazepam and methynted clonazepam completley legal to import loophle is closing fast though i'm talking bulk powders too.
i got quoted 260 for 50 grams of a highly potent and legal benzo.
hubba hubba before the next legistlature convenes and enacts.

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Re: rumors of extending the csa act to schedules III, & IV
« Reply #3 on: January 24, 2010, 08:31:48 PM »
legal benzo?
Please do tell. Between the doctor visits and the expense of the script I can not afford it but 50 grams would presumbly last a life time. Jon for you on the other hand it may sevearly shorten it.
There once were some bees and you took all there stuff!
You pissed off the wasp now enough is enough!!!

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Re: rumors of extending the csa act to schedules III, & IV
« Reply #4 on: January 25, 2010, 05:38:26 AM »
phenazepam.net "it legit they're stateside.

pm me for the rest i think i gave you the leads i got quoted 260 for 50 grams it's active at .5 mgs so be careful also meclonazepam methylated clonazepam is really good to just seacrh the b2b sites.
there are 17 currently unsceduled desoxypipradol is game too it's a fine stimulant.
many others too.
ching ching china!!!!
50 grams last a lifetime? for me no i'll eat 90 bars in 2 days.
of course all my money's gone i can't remember where i parked my car and God only knows what animalistic shit i did.

oh btw they did do that retroactive trick on ghb (remember?) i would 'nt be suprized if they did it on this gig too.
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