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Mind Reading, Brain Fingerprinting and the Law
« on: January 29, 2010, 04:23:45 PM »
This article from h**p://www.wiley.com/WileyCDA/PressRelease/pressReleaseId-66897.html seems troublesome:

January 20, 2010
Mind Reading, Brain Fingerprinting and the Law

What if a jury could decide a man’s guilt through mind reading? What if reading a defendant’s memory could betray their guilt?  And what constitutes ‘intent’ to commit murder? These are just some of the issues debated and reviewed in the inaugural issue of WIREs Cognitive Science, the latest interdisciplinary project from Wiley-Blackwell, which for registered institutions will be free for the first two years.

In the article “Neurolaw,” in the inaugural issue of WIREs Cognitive Science, co-authors Walter Sinnott-Armstrong and Annabelle Belcher assess the potential for the latest cognitive science research to revolutionize the legal system.

Neurolaw, also known as legal neuroscience, builds upon the research of cognitive, psychological, and social neuroscience by considering the implications for these disciplines within a legal framework. Each of these disciplinary collaborations has been ground-breaking in increasing our knowledge of the way the human brain operates, and now neurolaw continues this trend.

One of the most controversial ways neuroscience is being used in the courtroom is through ‘mind reading’ and the detection of mental states. While only courts in New Mexico currently permit traditional lie detector, or polygraph, tests there are a number of companies claiming to have used neuroscience methods to detect lies. Some of these methods involve electroencephalography (EEG), whereby brain activity is measured through small electrodes placed on the scalp. This widely accepted method of measuring brain electrical potentials has already been used in two forensic techniques which have appeared in US courtrooms: brain fingerprinting and brain electrical oscillations signature (BEOS). Brain fingerprinting purportedly tests for ‘guilty knowledge,’ or memory of a kind that only a guilty person could have. Other forms of guilt detection, using functional magnetic resonance imaging (fMRI), are based on the assumption that lying and truth-telling are associated with distinctive activity in different areas of the brain. These and other potential forms of ‘mind reading’ are still in development but may have far-reaching implications for court cases.

“Some proponents of neurolaw think that neuroscience will soon be used widely throughout the legal system and that it is bound to produce profound changes in both substantive and procedural law,” conclude the authors. “Other leaders in neurolaw employ a less sanguine tone, urging caution so as to prevent misuses and abuses of neuroscience within courts, legislatures, prisons, and other parts of the legal system. Either way we need to be ready to prevent misuses and encourage legitimate applications of neuroscience and the only way to achieve these goals is for neuroscientists and lawyers to work together in the field of neurolaw.”


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Re: Mind Reading, Brain Fingerprinting and the Law
« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2010, 01:35:53 AM »
Interesting concept, what would constitute an "attempt" to commit murder, or even an assault? What about sexual assault?

For instance, if people could indeed read each others minds, what would be needed to constitute an assault? Assault has been construed as:

".. the intentional creation of the apprehension of imminent harmful or offensive contact...

(From here)

So, if I momentarily, even subconsciously (although surely Automatism would be a defence, or if not a complete defence, at least an exculpatory matter), considered causing some sort of harm to a person in my immediate vicinity, AND they could read my mind, would that constitute assault? They would surely have cause to apprehend some sort of harm/contact, would they not? Would that extend to sexual assault? If so, I'd be staying away from beaches, etc. because forming the idea that you'd like to F*@k that, without the requisite consent, would be equally prone to prosecution would it not?

Actually, despite the comic aspect, that is why such laws would never be passed, no Politician in their right mind (although that doesn't describe all that many of them) would pass a law that would see them jailed over their own thought processes, such as when their PA/Secretary bends over to pick something up

As to the use of the neuroscientific analysis of the defendants thought processes/memories, that would surely come under the privilege against self-incrimination which is Constitutionally protected in the US and protected by black letter law in common law jurisdictions. The defendant could refuse to be examined, and their refusal could not be held against them, unless it fell within certain guidelines.
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Re: Mind Reading, Brain Fingerprinting and the Law
« Reply #2 on: January 31, 2010, 09:25:36 AM »
I don't know if you have seen this...
http://tuftsjournal.tufts.edu/2009/11_2/features/01/
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http://scienceblogs.com/neurophilosophy/2009/12/glimpsing_memory_traces_in_real_time.php

This isn't so far away. Any current produces a field. With sensitive enough arrays and a cool enough computer, one could be watching your brain work.

Sooner or later there will be hand-held, non-contact criminal meters that the cops can hold while at the airport, on the side of the highway, walking through crowds or at your front door. Where will the line be drawn for probable cause?

The real impact of emperor Bush was that he put two conservative supreme court justices in their seats, held for life. This has switched the balance. Look for lots of upcoming reversals of so called rights. Our constitution doesn't mean shit.

Don't agree? Well, our "non-conformist meter", I mean "terrorist, anti-america meter", the Patriot9000, will find you where you sleep so we can put you in an enemy combatant jail. You know the type? It is the jail that the US puts people in without trial for the rest of their lives.

See how easy they got around that pesky constitution? Even Nazis got trials. The beginning of the end was a long time ago but as long as they can successfully say, "You aren't going to help a terrorist, are you?" and people eat it up, everyone is screwed. Not the elite, but everyone else.

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Re: Mind Reading, Brain Fingerprinting and the Law
« Reply #3 on: February 03, 2010, 04:38:11 AM »
the only way to reverse this is with a properly positioned 50 cal.
yall don't like it then do something about about it not letters to congressman that end up up in file 13 but take serious action that's how things get done in the real world.
option B:
vote with your feet
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Re: Mind Reading, Brain Fingerprinting and the Law
« Reply #4 on: February 03, 2010, 10:07:01 AM »
I think the idea is not to prosecute people for 'intent', the idea is that there would no longer be a need for lawyers arguing and gloves fitting and juries scratching their heads.  Instead of common sense and comparing stories and all that,. figuring out if the defendent is guilty or not can just be done with a quick scan.


this of course can never happen

1. how can it be proven that the devices are reliable? a good liar transforms themselves into a temporary truth teller, when lying.

2.without the classic evidence/alibi/proof scenario, how would the legal system allow for nice pretty neat bribery and corruption.  Everyone knows that you can buy your way out of a crime, and that keeps the economic fabric in tact.  Otherwise lawyers would have been court appointed only, long ago.

3. technolgoical limitations are not what's currently keeping this world from looking like any dystopia novel/film of your choice. big brother is ready to watch.  for now, it's just too wrong to come right out and start using this stuff.  cover your irises!

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Re: Mind Reading, Brain Fingerprinting and the Law
« Reply #5 on: February 03, 2010, 10:29:04 AM »
too much $$$ in this dog and pony show the above poster is correcto everyone and everything can boutght for a proce even federal judges the president of the u.s. has a price he has'nt named it yet but he's got one with the right an\mount of $$$$ and the right connections everyone can be bought.
swij has seen judges bout on severl occasions don't believe that shit you see on law and order if someone pisses you off enough the do something about it rather tht complain there are ways to handle ppl everyone dies.