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Legal MDMA... Methylone
« on: March 14, 2010, 10:49:39 PM »
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methylone

Chemically almost identical to MDMA, slightly less stimulating, but.... wait for it.... wait..... it's entirely legal! Assuming you be very careful not to pass it off as MDMA and not expose you to the draconian Federal Analogue Act (which says passing off something, even sugar, as an illegal narcotic is the same thing as selling the actual narcotic) this could be quite a profitable enterprise (don't censor me here for alluding to commercialism because the shit is legal).

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Re: Legal MDMA... Methylone
« Reply #1 on: March 15, 2010, 04:59:54 AM »
MDMA was legal too, once. Commercial activity brings government scrutiny and accelerates the scheduling process. There are compounds that would probably still be legally low-risk for the amateur chemist if RC vendors hadn't cashed in during the early 2000s. Even if you can get away with it for a few months or a few years I think it's a terrible idea to encourage commercial production of not-yet-outlawed psychoactive compounds as a business.

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Re: Legal MDMA... Methylone
« Reply #2 on: March 15, 2010, 05:01:44 AM »
I see we're just getting to this stage... 'OMG I could make sooooo much money selling this LEGAL shit.' Let's not have this kind of discussion... there is no pharmacologic data or a discussion thereof, neither is there any route of synthesis mentioned.

and btw, methylone isn't MDMA - Wikipedia quotes Shulgin:

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"[Methylone] has almost the same potency of MDMA, but it does not produce the same effects. It has an almost antidepressant action, pleasant and positive, but not the unique magic of MDMA."

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Re: Legal MDMA... Methylone
« Reply #3 on: March 15, 2010, 09:48:08 AM »
Commercialization of beta-keto-MDMA (methylone) in fact led rather quickly to its being banned in the Netherlands. It used to be available in smartshops, then some radio DJ went on the air while under its influence and it was outlawed almost immediately thereafter.

I also don't think it's very likely that one could make much money selling "legal MDMA alternatives"; the demand for the real McCoy is too high, and although one could lie to one's clientele, all it takes is one connoisseur who can tell the difference and there goes your reputation.

bk-MDMA is also covered under the US Analogue Act whether one is "passing it off" as MDMA or not; its chemical structure is similar enough to both MDMA and methcathinone that there's really no argument to be made.

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Re: Legal MDMA... Methylone
« Reply #4 on: March 15, 2010, 09:04:39 PM »
bk-MDMA is also covered under the US Analogue Act whether one is "passing it off" as MDMA or not; its chemical structure is similar enough to both MDMA and methcathinone that there's really no argument to be made.

Actually, as long as the chemical is not scheduled and it's not intended for human consumption (and clearly marked as such), it's legal to sell.

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Re: Legal MDMA... Methylone
« Reply #5 on: March 15, 2010, 09:25:38 PM »
Actually, as long as the chemical is not scheduled and it's not intended for human consumption (and clearly marked as such), it's legal to sell.

Right, the human consumption bit is the catch -- but good luck to anyone who tries to sell it as "legal MDMA" and then make the argument that it wasn't being sold for human consumption.

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Re: Legal MDMA... Methylone
« Reply #6 on: March 15, 2010, 09:43:32 PM »
^ Haha, exactly. Or anyone who has even speculated that it is an MDMA substitute... that's how they got all the vendors and even bouncingbearbotanicals, recently.
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Re: Legal MDMA... Methylone
« Reply #7 on: March 16, 2010, 03:14:07 AM »
Selling a bag full of sugar as cocaine is the exact same thing as actually selling cocaine as far as the law goes. Which is why I specifically said as long as you don't pass it off as MDMA or even an MDMA alternative. It would be simply a "party pill" (the web is full of "party pills" being sold). And just so you know this is in the right forum and it is not illegal. You can buy kilograms of the stuff from a number of US sources and there has also not been one single person in the entire US charged for selling, possessing, attempting to sell, ect, ect, Methylone. The stuff is legal.... for now. And Erowid is full of user experiences listing Methylone as either exactly like MDMA and almost impossible to differentiate between the two or being pleasantly more mellow then MDMA. Either way it would be a better product then %80 of the stuff out there being sold for $20 a pop filled with just caffiene or BZP. If you buy 40kg from China it would come to about 33 cents per 200mg dose.

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Re: Legal MDMA... Methylone
« Reply #8 on: March 16, 2010, 03:54:27 AM »
Considering the fact that there is little discussion about the pharmacological affects of methylone, and it is more related to the law -- I am going to move this to the law section, instead of keeping it in Pharmacology.
I would be happy to see more discussion relating to the pharmacology of various substances, however -- so feel free to post related topics in that section.


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Re: Legal MDMA... Methylone
« Reply #9 on: March 16, 2010, 04:29:59 AM »
It would be simply a "party pill" (the web is full of "party pills" being sold).

Methylone sold as a party pill is illegal. If you intend the subject for human consumption, i.e., party pill, it's illegal. Whether they are going to book you for it is another story.

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Re: Legal MDMA... Methylone
« Reply #10 on: March 16, 2010, 04:32:13 AM »
Nevermind, After some concerns were voiced, and I thought about it more, this topic is unfit for this forum since it deals with the discussion of profit and sales,  This is not something The Vespiary wants. It may be better to start a topic discussing the laws, but not actual substances and ideas about their methods of sales.
Please refrain from posting or participating in similiar topics from now on.

This is now going into the Vacuous post section.
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