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Medicinal Pharmacology of CB1 and CB2 receptor agonists
« on: May 07, 2010, 11:42:45 PM »
I admin on a medical cannabis forum and in our private sections some talk has been expressed about the medicinal values or research chemical cannabanoid receptor agonists. Such as the JWH and WIN class of chemicals.

After looking through google I see there are some articles pertaining to this such as...
Topical WIN55212-2 alleviates intraocular hypertension in rats through a CB1 receptor mediated mechanism of action. J Ocul Pharmacol Ther. 2008 Feb;24(1):104-15.

But I was wondering if anyone had already done some searching and could point me in the right direction for more research or knew the information first hand you could share.

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Re: Medicinal Pharmacology of CB1 and CB2 receptor agonists
« Reply #1 on: May 07, 2010, 11:56:02 PM »
Research has also shown that past claims of brain damage from cannabis use fail to hold up to the scientific method.[35] Instead, recent studies with synthetic cannabinoids show that activation of CB1 receptors can facilitate neurogenesis,[36] as well as neuroprotection[37], and can even help prevent natural neural degradation from neurodegenerative diseases such as MS, Parkinson's, and Alzheimer's. This, along with research into the CB2 receptor (throughout the immune system), has given the case for medical marijuana more support.[38][39] THC is both a CB1 and CB2 agonist.[40]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetrahydrocannabinol

http://www.webmd.com/mental-health/news/20030701/heavy-marijuana-use-doesnt-damage-brain

Cannabinoids promote embryonic and adult hippocampus neurogenesis and produce anxiolytic- and antidepressant-like effects
Wen Jiang,1,2 Yun Zhang,1 Lan Xiao,1 Jamie Van Cleemput,1 Shao-Ping Ji,1 Guang Bai,3 and Xia Zhang1
J Clin Invest. 2005 November 1; 115(11): 3104–3116.
Published online 2005 October 13. doi: 10.1172/JCI25509
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1253627/

Cannabinoids: Between Neuroprotection and Neurotoxicity

Abstract:
Cannabinoids, such as the ?9- tetrahydrocannabinol (THC), present in the cannabis plant, as well as anandamide and 2-arachidonoyl glycerol, produced by the mammalian body, have been shown to protect the brain from various insults and to improve several neurodegenerative diseases. The current review summarizes the evidence for cannabinoid neuroprotection in vivo, and refers to recent in vitro studies, which help elucidate possible molecular mechanisms underlying this protective effect. Some of these mechanisms involve the activation of CB1 and CB2 cannabinoid receptors, while others are not dependent on them. In some cases, protection is due to a direct effect of the cannabinoids on neuronal cells, while in others, it results from their effects on non-neuronal elements within the brain. In many experimental set-ups, cannabinoid neurotoxicity, particularly by THC, resides side by side with neuroprotection. The current review attempts to shed light on this dual activity, and to dissociate between the two contradictory effects.

http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/ben/cdtcnsnd/2005/00000004/00000006/art00008

Cannabinoid CB2 receptor: a new target for controlling neural cell survival?

Two types of cannabinoid receptor have been cloned and characterized. Whereas CB1 receptors are ubiquitously expressed in neurons of the CNS, CB2 receptors have been thought to be absent from the CNS. Recent data now question this notion and support the expression of CB2 receptors in microglial cells, astrocytes and even some neuron subpopulations. This discrete distribution makes CB2 receptors interesting targets for treating neurological disorders because CB2-selective agonists lack psychoactivity. Here, we review evidence supporting the idea that CB2 receptors are implicated in the control of fundamental neural cell processes, such as proliferation and survival, and that their pharmacological manipulation might be useful for both delaying the progression of neurodegenerative disorders and inhibiting the growth of glial tumors.
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6T1K-4MG6NYP-1&_user=10&_coverDate=01/31/2007&_rdoc=1&_fmt=high&_orig=search&_sort=d&_docanchor=&view=c&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=73429df3237e83252ba7bceaf8ebf372


I have found many more alot of them involving the neuroprotective qualities of HU-210, it is an exciting time regarding this research. As finally there is some unbiased medical research going into cannabinoids and the synthesis of the synthetic cannabinoids allowed proper testing and dispelling of many old propaganda myths! As they had been medically testing morphinans ect why not marijuana? But that has apparently changed within the last couple of years.
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Re: Medicinal Pharmacology of CB1 and CB2 receptor agonists
« Reply #2 on: May 08, 2010, 12:02:43 AM »
Just to clarify what I was highlighting;

Neurogenesis= (birth of neurons) is the process by which neurons are generated. Most active during pre-natal development, neurogenesis is responsible for populating the growing brain.

Neuroprotection= refers to mechanisms within the nervous system which protect neurons from apoptosis or degeneration, for example following a brain injury or as a result of chronic neurodegenerative diseases. The word derives from the words "neuron" (Greek for nerve cell) and "protection"

We had been told in the past that marijuana ect causes brain damage and fries your brain, but the facts are showing that aging and external injurues and disease ect., fries your brain and cannabinoid agonists can actually reverse that process to some extent offering neuroprotective qualities and can actually facilitate neurogenesis!
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Re: Medicinal Pharmacology of CB1 and CB2 receptor agonists
« Reply #3 on: May 08, 2010, 12:10:23 AM »
It's just that many of the articles pertain to "cannabanoids" in general or marijuana as a whole. Since these chemicals are not cannabanoids but rather just act upon those receptors can you still infer the same benefits?

We do have members with MS, chronic pain, Crohns and such and I would like to be able to put this in terms the majority would understand. Thanks for the links. I will look at them and dig deeper. I guess it would have been batter stated as Pharmacodynamics because it is the physiological effects my med patients are interested in.

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Re: Medicinal Pharmacology of CB1 and CB2 receptor agonists
« Reply #4 on: May 08, 2010, 12:35:19 AM »
Cannabinoids promote embryonic and adult hippocampus neurogenesis and produce anxiolytic- and antidepressant-like effects

Start with that paper above!

Chronic administration of the major drugs of abuse including
opiates, alcohol, nicotine, and cocaine has been reported to suppress
hippocampal neurogenesis in adult rats (20–23), suggesting
a potential role of hippocampal neurogenesis in the initiation,
maintenance, and treatment of drug addiction (13). The recent
finding of prominently decreased hippocampal neurogenesis
in CB1-knockout mice (24) suggests that CB1 receptor activation
by endogenous, plant-derived, or synthetic cannabinoids
may promote hippocampal neurogenesis.
However, endogenous
cannabinoids have been reported to inhibit adult hippocampal
neurogenesis (25). Nevertheless, it is possible that exo- and endocannabinoids
could differentially regulate hippocampal neurogenesis,
as exo- and endocannabinoids act as full or partial agonists
on CB1 receptors, respectively (11).

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To test that theory they used the most potent CB1 cannabinoid agonist they could find (HU-210) as if you are trying to monitor minor differences those differences will be more accentuated if you use super potent agonists. As using less potent agonists the changes will be less accentuated and thus harder to detect!

"The goal of the present study was to test the hypothesis that
the potent synthetic cannabinoid HU210 is able to promote
hippocampal neurogenesis, leading to the anxiolytic and antidepressant
effects of cannabinoids. We demonstrate here that both
HU210 and the endocannabinoid AEA promote proliferation of
embryonic hippocampal NS/PCs without significant effects on
their differentiation, resulting in more newborn neurons. The
effects of HU210 on adult hippocampal neurogenesis were quan-

tified in freely moving rats and were correlated with behavioral
testing. We show that 1 month after chronic HU210 treatment,
rats display increased newborn neurons in the hippocampal dentate
gyrus and significantly reduced measures of anxiety- and
depression-like behavior. Thus, cannabinoids appear to be the
only illicit drug whose capacity to produce increased hippocampal
newborn neurons is positively correlated with its anxiolytic- and
antidepressant-like effects
."

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So they were able to prove that unlike alcohol, opiates, nicotine ect which supress hippocampal neurogenesis. Cannabinoids actually promote neurogenesis (certain endocannabinoids do not in adult hippocampus) which further proves that this process will not take place in any significant proportion without introducing exogenous cannabinoids to bind to specifically CB1 and the more potent an agonist, increases the number of newborn neurons in the hippocampal region found.
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Re: Medicinal Pharmacology of CB1 and CB2 receptor agonists
« Reply #5 on: May 08, 2010, 01:04:22 AM »
Then we go to the next paper,
Cannabinoids: Between Neuroprotection and Neurotoxicity

Cannabinoids, such as the ?9- tetrahydrocannabinol (THC), present in the cannabis plant, as well as anandamide and 2-arachidonoyl glycerol, produced by the mammalian body, have been shown to protect the brain from various insults and to improve several neurodegenerative diseases. The current review summarizes the evidence for cannabinoid neuroprotection in vivo, and refers to recent in vitro studies, which help elucidate possible molecular mechanisms underlying this protective effect. Some of these mechanisms involve the activation of CB1 and CB2 cannabinoid receptors, while others are not dependent on them. In some cases, protection is due to a direct effect of the cannabinoids on neuronal cells, while in others, it results from their effects on non-neuronal elements within the brain. In many experimental set-ups, cannabinoid neurotoxicity, particularly by THC, resides side by side with neuroprotection. The current review attempts to shed light on this dual activity, and to dissociate between the two contradictory effects.

delta-9-THC was specifically tested, and it is clearly stated "have been shown to protect the brain from various insults and to improve several neurodegenerative diseases" so that part is not up for debate the mechanism of its action is! If the mechanism of their action in this case was through activation of CB1 and CB2, then the synthetic cannabinoids discussed prior would also be attractive here!(but I only have that abstract, not the paper).

The third paper is trying to take advantage of the already known benefits of CB1 agonists and trying to use that to create CB2 agonists with the same benefits. Because CB2 agonists lack psycoactivity the boring bastards think that is more attractive for a medicament (and also found that CB2 recptors are involved in the control of fundamental neural cell processes) but still no need to spoil the party!

Cant we have our cake and eat it too?
Cant we have our agonists CB1 and 2?

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Re: Medicinal Pharmacology of CB1 and CB2 receptor agonists
« Reply #6 on: December 26, 2010, 02:41:26 AM »
I have recent experience with the compounds known as JWH-018 and JWH-017 which where under the label of K2. This stuff is pretty strong to me but then again all CB1 and CB2 agonist are(at lest I haven't pinpointed if its CB1 or CB2 that's smashing my brain).

Anyway the question I have is, is it normal to have very strange dreams after smoking JWH compounds? The lucidity of these dreams are something I have never experienced and that's saying alot because I have been practicing lucid dreaming since I was a kid. This is totally different. Its as though I'm looking in Thur a window with my conscience as my dreams are taking place. My external senses are staying active while I am sleeping and I can with ease respond to someone speaking in the real world while I am still having a dream. It is in all honesty like a shaman dream walk or something. I'm totally amazed at the experiences I have had in the past couple days however I feel its interfearing with the quality of my sleep as well and I must take a break else my mental state will rapidly start to go if this continues. I must also state I have been using only very very little such as maybe a hit or two at the very most.

I'm noticing many effects that differ from THC as well. Mostly the tactile senses experiences while laying down since I normally smoke right before bed. There is a vibration feeling in the skin as though someone is tapping you.



This has caused me to spend alot more time focusing on the pharmacology of CB1 and CB2 analogs so I hope this thread helps me here. So much to explore such as reports I have seen that state some JWH compounds seriously enhancing Neural stem cell proliferation and branching. Why would you ever even consider placing a ban on a substance that does that? Its sounds like the ultimate smart drug with no need for stimulation of receptors like most nootropics rely on but instead increasing the growth of the brain itself.
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Re: Medicinal Pharmacology of CB1 and CB2 receptor agonists
« Reply #7 on: December 27, 2010, 03:30:09 AM »
There once were some bees and you took all there stuff!
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Re: Medicinal Pharmacology of CB1 and CB2 receptor agonists
« Reply #8 on: January 31, 2011, 02:01:58 AM »
Hmm I often experience anxiogenesis from cannabis, although not when i was first smoking it for years at a young age. Only after I quite for a couple years due to a speech stutter I developed while smoking that was clearly attributed to my cannabis usage. However when I quit, my long term memory retention and spatial memory was better than before I had started, also the stutter went away in a month after quitting. After ~2 years went by and I decided I would smoke again I would say about 80% of the experience since those 2 years produced anxiety in me so I quit smoking. Just recently I started smoking small amounts on occasion and only once did I experience mild anxiety. I find it odd that the effects I get from cannabis fluctuate so much. Sometimes it doesn't produce any mental sensation other than extreme time dilation for me. Sometimes It triggers my depersonalization others it makes me happy and giggle like a school girl. I've never got the munchies from cannabis, in fact quite the opposite. However I tried some of the synthetic cannabinoid cocktails sprayed on plant matter and sold as herbal "incense" and it made it quite hard to focus, made me sleepy and extremely hungry.

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« Reply #9 on: January 31, 2011, 02:33:30 PM »
I don't have all the technical details at hand right now, but I did a lot of research into the HPA axis and stress responses.  I kept running into the endocannabinoids as potential cures of stress related problems. 

When you experience threat or trauma, there is a kind of programming that gets done in the amydalga (sp).  The programming happens when you experience/interpret an event as life threatening and thereby activate your flight or fight response.  Your primative brain records potentially trivial sensory information and associates it with threat.  If you experience enough trauma in this way your HPA wires your body to be on a hair trigger - an evolutional response to a dangerous environment.   You wind up sleeping less soundly, eating less etc and can get a variety of physiological symptoms from the wiring.  You can also begin over responding to trivial triggers in your environment.

That is why I believe some people may respond to an endocannabinoid with anxiety.  If you are one of those individuals with the hyperalert HPA it would percieve the relaxing of your defenses through the use of an endocannabinoid (which typically disarm the HPA responses) as a threat and therefore you would be anxious at the perceived vulnerability.

Got the documentation somewhere to back some of this up, but there was just too much of it - would have to write a paper (may do that some day).

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Re: Medicinal Pharmacology of CB1 and CB2 receptor agonists
« Reply #10 on: February 01, 2011, 03:58:21 AM »
Well as I have large amounts of JWH-018 and use it quite often I'm familiar with it's effects. Sedit I usually smoke it at night before sleep as I have insomnia, and I have incredible lucid dreams. Not what you are describing though, being able to respond while sleeping. Also, at first I found the effects quite similar to cannabis, but with more use and higher dosage, it really is completely different. Its psychedelic for me and I prefer JWH-018 to bud any day, I mean the body buzz is just wonderful. If you can handle about 15-20mg, i can tell you it will be quite psychedelic with huge color intensification, and CEVs.But then again some people hate it!
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