Seperating Sugar from Mdma

riggie · Thu Jul 07, 2005 2:33 am

SWIM has 80 % MDMA with 20% sugar. How to seperate? Neutralisation, extraction, crystallisation, perhaps, what solvent works and does not dissolve sugar?

joe_aldehyde · huxleys associate

basify, solvate in NP solvent of choice (must be dry), gas with anhydrous HCl and set to crystallize or filter off right away. that's all. sugar should be dissolved, anyways. stupid question, all things considered.

riggie · Fri Jul 08, 2005 3:08 am

Stupid questions don't exist, only stupid answers.

ApprenticeCook · DILLIGAF

Stupid questions do exist... if you put in a bit of concious thought into the question you would have realised that under basic conditions the MDMA would become NP and the sugar still polar and subjectable to an efficient NP solvent extraction.
Following this by gassing with HCl or another acid to make the appropriate polar salt will crash from solution (as it is now insoluble in the NP solvent) and be collectable via vacuum filtration.

-AC

sillycybin · Fri Jul 08, 2005 10:19 am

joe_aldehyde · huxleys associate

don't sweat your chance of getting helpful answers, my previous "stupid" answer is more than you could expect, riggie. i don't like people who come bitching after they're being told off for asking basic thus stupid questions which could have been easily answered by themselves looking through a few pages of organic chemistry books. if you don't know the different properties of sugar vs. mdma, you're not supposed to be here anyways. just my humble opinion.

Ephoton · Fri Jul 08, 2005 6:42 pm

for fucks sake man (sorry guys) A/B UTFSE

Ephoton · Fri Jul 08, 2005 6:56 pm

I apologise for my last comment rigger probably didont understand it any way
and if I show him the meaning he will not only be able to find the answer to this but many other questions before filling this site with chem questions that are
of such a basic nature as to be hinderouse to the progression of cladenstine chemistry Smile

Use The Fucking Search Engine
search for A/B which means acid base extraction
use the Fucking Search Engine on the butifully archive Hive Files (ill never get over this Nubee) at https://www.synthetikal.com/hiveboard/index.html ticking the www.synthetikal.com radio button.
use this engine before posting any question untill you can answer a few questions
posted by others. this will make you able to learn faster and catch up with the
rest of the people on this site.

Thank You Come Again Smile

riggie · Wed Jul 13, 2005 12:31 am

Ok, I understand, so please in the furture, don't waste your time.
Plainly, if don't like the question, why bother, you don't have anything else to do, or you just like to masturbate your ego by telleing others how superior you are?
Go ahead then and enjoy the life of your choice...

Another question:

How do I hydrolise Ergometrine Maleate to get ET? Don't tell my ity's hydrolysis with KOH, it is not.

riggie · Wed Jul 13, 2005 12:34 am

PS I live in the thirld word, we hardly have any (Chem) books or universities. But we have a lot of goodies (chems) you will never get your hands on.
Good night

Vitriodor · Wed Jul 13, 2005 1:18 am

ET? You mean lysergic acid? Or Ergine? Or....?

BTW next time start a new topic, preferably in the right forum.

primathon · modified

Easy there, riggie. The information you seek is out there, but you have to at least look a little bit for it, on account of the fact that we're all assholes Smile

. I suggest you look into the Rhodium Archive, as there's LOTS of good info there, and the hive archives are an invaluable asset as well. And a friendly word of advice: until you master some basic stuff like A/B, please don't go playing with ET.

Vitriodor · Wed Jul 13, 2005 2:00 am

riggie · Wed Jul 13, 2005 8:01 pm

I admit, I am getting old. I mean of course how do I seperate the lysergic acid from the ergometrine maleate.
I did hydrolysis with KOH and followed all the rules. Nothing, only brown crap.
Now the only workable way, so far, is very tedious: I neutralise the Maleate with ammonia and get a extrem solid stuff that even scratches glass, like white sand. I put this material in a soxlet and extract with chloroform. Voila: I get ergometrine freebase, which is workable.
But this route is much too slow, there must be another way. And yes I went through most archives, even the swiss ones from Hoffman. Denn soviel Deutsch kann ich doch noch.
Many years ago, when ET was easy to obtain, (Just going to the company and buy a kg, or two, or three, paying cash) I found it easy to do so, but with the ergometrine maleate, it is such a bitch. And the stuff here is cheap, goes for about 15 grand a Kg.

Bedankt, en tot ziens, paisanos

PolyAlchemia · Thu Jul 14, 2005 10:47 pm

"Stupid questions don't exist, only stupid answers."

My chemistry teacher always said, "There are no such thing as stupid questions. Only stupid people who ask questions" Present company excluded of course Wink