Can propionyl chloride be substituted f/ propionic anhydride

Fentasies · Fri Sep 30, 2005 1:24 am

Your wrong my friend. Perhaps you should look into Carfentanil duration better.

Both Carfentanil and Remifentanil are very short acting. Go find me a study that shows animals given carfentanil lasting more than 20 minutes under anesthesia... and no, dont show me the re-narcotizing symptoms 24 hours later, thats not duration of effect, thats a dangerous side effect.

Have you ever used carfentanil? I did not think so. While some people here have. So if you want to argue of Carfentanil lasting more than 30 minutes, better show some studies, and better be able to back that claim with personal experience because no amount of studies in the world can compare to first hand use.

Id recommend Sufentanil faaaar before id recommend Carfentanil. And id recommend many other fentanyl's over Sufentanil.

If you consider '30' minutes long lasting for its 'class', then thats all fine and dandy and you are right... but I think plain ole Fentanyl, lasting 1-2 hours, its pretty much useless as well. If it aint at least 4 hours, its fucking garbage, so Carfentanil and Remifentanil are definetly at the bottom of worthwhile fentanyl's.

When I speak of worthwhile duration its in regards to Heroin-replacement candidates. And Carfentanil is one of the farthest you can get from that purpose.

Stinging_Nettle · Fri Sep 30, 2005 3:06 am

I agree with the above in that people need to get out of their head this delusion that carfentanil is even worth looking into. I mean it has a reputation as being Rhino/Elephant dope but the words of Donald Cooper is media hype and does not convey reality.

nobodyimportant · Fri Sep 30, 2005 9:47 pm

"If it aint at least 4 hours, its fucking garbage"

I beg to differ. If you have a relatively endless supply of fent (say 20 grams), then you can get the much wanted rush every 1.5 to 2 hours when you take it again and not have to wait for 4 hours for it to wear off before you can get the rush from reapplication. SWIM personally likes the super rush than the whole drowsy dopey effects of both heroin and fent that last after the initial rush. I bet the shorter acting ones are even better for people who enjoy the rush more than the other effects. But that's just my opinion.

Fentasies · Fri Sep 30, 2005 10:55 pm

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I dont see why you have such an affinity for regular fentanyl. There is derivatives that put regular fentanyl to absolute shame in every single aspect of it... and only reason youd say fentanyl over these would be ignorance to what 'these' are. Fentanyl's okay, but there is more euphoric derivatives is what is being said.

And Carfentanil is terrible, and the only reason people have an obssession with it-is that rediculous shit by Donald... in which he fails to bring up the negative points of it, like the fact it would never ever become accepted on the black market because of its uber-lame duration. Maybe personal use... but definetly not a marketable product, which would be the only reason one would make a KG as Donald claims, unless your the worlds largest dope user ever!

nobodyimportant · Sat Oct 01, 2005 10:12 am

I don't use or will ever use any thing illegal as I said. I am talking on behalf of SWIM. Wink

Me, I am an honest, slightly chicken, law abiding citizen of God knows where. My goal is to live a small simple life, grow old, have some money (which I save from salary) to see myself through, if I can't at that age, then maybe overdose on sleeping pills and end it. But that's it. No super plans to do anything remotely illegal. Besides, I am really dumb.

SWIM knows that there are much better stuff out there. But you see, it is the only thing SWIM can make with the access he has to certain chems and takes approximately 3 days to go from start to finish. Doesn't take a lot of space, less than a computer desk infact, doesn't have any smells and is fun to make. But one has to be patient in 1 or 2 steps (Since these steps are exothermic). But, you have to understand, the amazing feeling of finally making the stuff, SWIM was so pleased ^_^ .