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homeslice · Sun Sep 18, 2005 8:34 pm

You can read about my details on wetdreams or as far back as the hive, when it was alive.

Thanks for the support.

2spun · The Resistor

Dam Bro,
Best of luck homeslice.

gammabootylicker · Mon Sep 19, 2005 1:05 am

I'm sorry to hear of your bad news.

You're absolutely right; the feds don't need even one chemical to convict you, just words from other people. In fact, when they have no physical evidence and only testimony from other people, they have a lot more leeway in building a case against you. They can do almost anything they want in inferring past drug quantities, and since that is the main determining factor in how much time you get, they have great control of the sentence you end up getting. And if you have the feds on your ass, believe me, you WILL be getting a sentence! And the only way to mitigate that sentence is to do that dirty deed... talk.

I'm sure some people out there are going to say "Bullshit, they can't do that! It's illegal! Or unconstitutional! They have to have evidence to convict you!". Well, it would be nice if we were living in a perfect world where everyone played fair and the government followed the rules to the letter and the spirit of them. But we're NOT living in that fairyland, and the feds WILL assrape you any which way they please.

Hang in there, homeslice. Even if you do end up with five years, you'll get some good time, and as long as you don't have any violence or guns in your criminal history, you can take the 9-month RDAP drug class which will take a year off your sentence and let the last 6 months of your reduced sentence be done in a halfway house. I think people with 5 yr. sentences typically end up doing just over 3 yrs. The time will actually pass pretty quickly, although there will definitely be times when it doesn't feel that way.

Stinging_Nettle · Mon Sep 19, 2005 3:32 am

Are you joking me. You cant just get handed a 5 year sentance and then have the attitute that if you only sepnd three of those years behind bars then you have served a reduced time. 3 years is still way too much in the hemisphere of what i am aquainted to. Obviously i dont know jack about this guys personal circumstances but there is no doubt that he has been heaviliy punished even if there is an air of vagueness over what he actually did.

icecool · Insistent Chemist

It's true if you behave well then you can go home earlier.
A friend of mine is also very woried about this fact, some people in fact already know about his hobby.
Now what?
What is the best to do?
He's just a 19 year old science student and doesn't want to go to prison.
He's afraid cops will come in his house and find his mini lab and stuff.
He only makes very small amounts and doesn't have more then 5g of each drug.
And only has amphetamine, 2C-B, met-hamphetamine...
And 1 liter of benzaldehyde, 200g of 2C-B precusor, 100g of mescaline precusor...
He's (luckely????) in the netherlands...
They might be more lenient on him there....
Any idea how long he has to go into prison for something like that...

Stinging_Nettle · Mon Sep 19, 2005 2:23 pm

What anybody reading this should do is two-fold:

Either chuck in the hobby completely by selling or your goods off on e-bay.
The alternative is to adapt the hobby so that it is no longer being used to pursue illicit goals. The alternative to these two alternatives is to continue to persue illicit activies. If you choose the latter then the importance of keeping your mouth shut cannot be over emphasised. If you are raided and precursors to illicit compounds are unearthed possibly reinforced by the discovery of literature pertaining to the manufacture of said compounds then there is going to be a resultant battle. Benzaldehyde and lithium aluminium hydride is innocent enough if you have definative story of what these will be used for. However if you have traces of nitropropene lying around and arent even a qualified chemist with a viable explanation for your activities then you dont have enough ammunition to prove your justice. It is just going to seem obvious that your plans are clandestine and you are going to be dumnfounded to prove the contrary.

DrugPhreak · Working Bee

Damn... I remember when you posted about that jar of MD-P2P on WetDreams a while back. Did you ever get the $20,000 back? Even though the MD-P2P was kept in the freezer based on the time it was kept for I bet it was basically of no use and these pigs are charging you based on what these rats said. This is why DrugPhreak will never associate with anyone on a face to face level with things of this nature, but even then there is a chance of getting busted too of course. When people are facing time and being threatened by LE there is no such thing as friends anymore. DrugPhreak doesn't even associate with many people when it comes to non-clandestine things cause sooner or later something may slip out or they may come over and see something they shouldn't have somehow etc. This is the trade off for being a clandestine chemist that enjoys their freedom and just because you will bee alone most of the time doesn't mean you have to be lonely. Wink

Anyway, stay strong Homeslice and don't let this corrupt system get you down. Cool

DrugPhreak · Working Bee

"He's afraid cops will come in his house and find his mini lab and stuff."

"And 1 liter of benzaldehyde, 200g of 2C-B precusor, 100g of mescaline precusor"

You can send those to SWIDP. No more worries. Laughing

icecool · Insistent Chemist

Haha lol, I don't think that friend of mine would agree with that.
He loves experimenting way too much...

java · Consumer

Well there is always the option of leaving the country and if you're in the states .....well things are getting too draconian , personal freedom has gone out the door with the panic of security.......you be better off leaving the country and spend those five years redoing yourself and your hobby in a more laxed country , besides you're young ...hell, spend 10% of your life in jail is not a good thing .....take off and live.......java

the alchemist · Tue Sep 20, 2005 5:13 am

Get a good lawyer, man. Get a lawyer who knows all the If you don't have any product, they can't slap you with that much. You could get off with probation and that's it. They are trying to scare the shit out of you. Did the feds really take on this case or was it local police who interviewed your 'supposed' friends? They usually don't give a shit about any lab case unless there was product and/or money found.

icecool · Insistent Chemist

The police didn't come to my friend if you are talking to me...
I was just telling IF they would come to my friends house what would happen then.
Since they could easily see it is a tiny lab and absolutely not for business...

joe_aldehyde · huxleys associate

don't worry, in the part of the world you live in it's not that bad at all. just don't SELL! don't make money off this stuff.

2spun · The Resistor

lawyers, courts buy-n time bond etc..
can eazlie run into 10's of 1,000s of dollars.
swiy just so happens to know a fellow that is going thro that now.
swiy belives he told swiy he'd spend an eazie 60,000 so far to keep his freedom.
Now this cats last court date has not come yet"but soon will Bee".
60 bones in another country could bee a better start for a new life for sure.
But where issomeone in thier early 20s going to get cash like that?
Not selling can and is a very good way to bet a lot of heat for dam sure.
Just push to beat that rap homeslice and mark it up as lessions learned

Vitriodor · Thu Sep 22, 2005 5:09 am