open access to information

Polverone · Sat Feb 12, 2005 7:08 am

A serious deficiency of the Hive was the way information was controlled. None of the forums were open to indexing or archival by search engine spiders. Automatic retrieval of information was a bannable offense. Under no circumstances would the administrators provide backup files for the forum. Even now, months after the site passed into limbo, the precious user-provided content is tightly held. It would not be hard to provide a single-file torrent of all messages (excluding PMs) from the Hive, if anybody with access to the database cared to do so. But the Hive Powers have spoken with actions louder than words: "If we cannot control this information, nobody will have it."

I hope that Synthetika will not tread the same foollish path. I think that periodic websucking into a single-file archive that is then shared would be very useful for offline reading and for protecting the information shared here from vanishing Hive-style.

java · Consumer

Polverone.....I agree, the work of the membership of any forum belongs to them and not to the person that sets up the site. Public information that not even the government in the US can keep it from you, but they do illegally.

If the HIve refuses to release a static copy of the work of its members , then by some law it can be forced to release the files, but that would destroy our home, which is not what we want

The hive will return and the policy will have to be changed so this doesn't happen again........java

Guest · Sat Feb 12, 2005 10:49 am

I agree, with both views, in that in the interest of collective information, everyone should have the right to back-up this forum,
We have absolutely no problems with this, but that creates a risk, for you the user, choosing to do this, as polverone said,.

A lot of time is being spent archiving, all of those lost files, from the hive and Rhodium, and to lose all that again, would be my greatest nightmare,

Can a function be put in for individual backing up, well, yes.

At the moment we have a loose agreement, with our host, they have inspected our site, and are proactive, in developing.

But unfortunately, these people are not Offshore enough for us,

Here is an excerpt, from an offshore host

Polverone · Sat Feb 12, 2005 11:43 am

mind · Sat Feb 12, 2005 7:20 pm

hmm, i thought about it for a while, and i missed the whole point Embarassed

some sort of backup that will be distributed via a torrent/http/usenet is actually a pretty good idea.

what about 2 cheap servers in different locations that can synchronise the data? if one of the servers goes down, you have a second one, so...

Guest · Sun Feb 13, 2005 1:10 am

java · Consumer

Organikum.....I agree with getting the data back , but then the stuff currently being uploaded , there is a lot of "noise" as you call it . But who will decide what's noise and what is relevant information.

Let's not fall in the trap of censoring material because it doesn't fit some benchmark, because no question is a dumb question if the person asking doesn't know . Yes there are twekers that will post shit and there will always be that type of person be it f-man, or more recent loose cannonballs with enough smart to know otherwise.

The task to build a perfect forum is complex and it takes time, it also takes people with ideas and time to give of thereselves to a greater good.

Not all members come with experience but all can contribute something be it time in searching for wanted articles, as well as those with more experience to post reactions, new or old, to some plagued methods be it because of technique or not being OTC due to the tight controll of chemicals to persue our hobbies.

bla, bla, bla,...........anyway my two cents, .......java

Guest · Sun Feb 13, 2005 4:52 am

Vitriodor · Sun Feb 13, 2005 5:34 am

Guest · Sun Feb 13, 2005 6:28 am

I thought about removing the ratings from hive-reposts - not more not less. And I told thats my opinion.

Maybee of course this comes because my actual BEST posts had not been rated at all.....

Who knows?

Thats all up to discussion mesays.
peace!
/ORG

The Watcher · Dream Team

I don't belive in censorship in any form, if the post has anything to contribute no matter how small it may seem to some then I say leave it! I know that questions of a repetitive nature can and dose become really bothersome and often shows that the person asking has not researched the subject at all. Then there is the person that just didn't find an answer that they could understand and to denie them fair help would be very wrong. I would like to see a community that stands for the right to compile and present information to anyone that wants to learn, and to preserve this very important information for all time. It will take us all to see this happen, each of us working together as one strong unit for the good of the whole, just like a HIVE.

When I first started researching this type of chemistry years ago the only information I could find on the Internet was at a site called Sputnik I am sure some of you older members remember it. Then there was others that came and went. Later on I noticed that there was many sites with how to cook and technical information but no basic chemistry help was there for the beginner, that was the reason I started The Chemistry Works to provide something for those just starting to build upon.

I feel this site should cover the bare basics to the most complex information and beyond without censorship, I am not saying that the "That's a good idea" post shouldn't be removed, I feel they should to keep the pertinent information from being so scrambled that its extremely hard to fallow.

The idea of removing a post is a very sensitive subject and should be done with great care....

Just my random thoughts...

Guest · Sun Feb 13, 2005 12:26 pm

Actually its fairly easy to weed the scrap out without the slightest hint of censorship or loss of information.

Its just a damn lot of work.

Albeit it might be worth the effort.

/ORG

The Watcher · Dream Team

I will agree with that, it will be a lot of work I have been working non stop for the last few hours getting the virus problem under control and as of now I feel very safe to let information pass freely but the work will be well worth it in the long run. As for sifting through the files for scrap I will be glad to lend a hand very soon, as soon as I get a few other projects done for this site....

If any of you need a hand with anything feel free to ask I am always ready to put forth the effort...

monkichi · Sat Feb 26, 2005 7:52 am

Please don't censor the archives. I'd rather sort the wheat from the chaff myself.

IndoleAmine · Dreamreader Deluxe

Exactly.