storring accumulated substances effectively

random · Fri Feb 25, 2005 6:07 am

Hey guys, was wondering if anyone could assist me in dealing with the current situation SWIM is facing...

SWIM, being in the midst of the learning phase, is yet to have completed a succesful dream. However, the obvious advantages of collecting suspicious precursors/solvs along the way, and the fear that some of them may be further restricted in the near future, has encouraged SWIM to stockpile some materials that become obviously useful in the process.

The problem swim faces is hiding/storing these items in a way that will
a) elminate the risk of being caught red handed with incriminating evidence should the poor fella be investigated and raided.
b) preserve the shelf life of the items

Buring materials in sealed cannisters and vacume flasks is SWIMS current strategy, and is working ok, however i am any opinoins or tips on this actual process.... by this i mean things like
a) choosing location, time, suitable terrain etc for this type of operation
b) effective methods of entering the bush inconspicuosly and without drawing attention
c) effective methods of digging and actual burial

and of course any other ideas you guys have in regards to stashing suspicious materials...

if any of you guys gaves have or know where to get the following ebooks online, it would also be greatly appreciated...

The Big Book of Secret Hiding places by Jack luger

How to Bury Goods: the Complete Manual of Long-term Underground Storage by eddie the wire

How to hide things in public places - Dennis Fiery

I am pretty sure they are all publish by Loompanics

Cheers

MistaMiyagi · Dream Team

One thing to consider is that unless stabilized in some fashion, it is my understanding our choice honeys will degrade within a relatively short time. However, I would propose that cold storage in some fashion is best:

Decreased temperature = less kinetic energy = less self-degradation of said chemical.

Underground storage is an interesting idea that I never dreamt of applying to dream honeys. My personal dream idea would be a false bottom in a large freezer or a floor safe in a walk-in freezer. Too bad I didn't ask the builders to include that in the floor plan, however :)

MM

THE MOON RULES --1 · voted for the moon

I think the thing swim would do is try to aquire another persons indentity and open up public storages in their name. That way even if your under investigation, the only way they'll know about it is if you tell them or have a paper trail. I hate people who steal idnentities, but if all you use it for is a public storage(and not open up credit accounts! bastards did it to me), whats the harm? Just be positive that there will be no leaks or smells, otherwise they will most likely have you on camera going back and fourth to the storage and call the man.

PolyAlchemia · Mon May 16, 2005 10:23 am

Keeping supplies where you live is just about the stupidest thing one can do. That being said, the ground is just about the best place to put things for storage. Certain chemicals break down faster than others but this realy isnt relevant if you dont plan on useing it right away.

Keeping EVERYTHING together in one spot is dangerious. Especially for transporting. It is advisable to keep the following seperate for transportation and storage:

a) information; files, printed text, notes, books etc
b) equipment; scales, vacuum pumps, coffee grinders, ph meters, thermometers, etc
c) CLEAN glassware; flasks, beakers, condeners, adapters, etc
d) precursor and primary chem; plant oils, synthetic intermediates, specialized reagents, etc
e) Secondary chems; Methanol, Acids, match books, sundry commertially availble stuff

Good effort should be made after your work is done to clean everything. Glassware should be cleaned multiple times with water and solvent based products to remove trace substances. Each type object should be packed seperate per the above suggested.

Everything needn't nececarly go into the ground but i would consider putting the primary chemicals and possibly the information and glassware - but not together. Someday you might want access to it and it would be stupid to come truckin out of the woods with primary chems and pile of paper work. Just use your head. You could store different combinations of things together given your circumstance. But some things just shouldnt be together unless their being used. Thats the bottom line.

As far as the ground goes, its the best place you can put something, be it long or short term. Its not to hard to keep the wetness out and depending on where you stick it, might well be easy enough and worth the simple effort to get to.

Choosing a place, consider state owned or federal lands, such as a state park or forrest because you can rest assure no new houseing developments or roads will go up there. Also these places have easy parking and many private paths, etc. If you live in a city, then drive out to the country to find a place if you must.

It probably isnt a good idea to have the stuff burried your property for obvious reasons.

Care must be given to the container. The only job it has to do is keep the moister out. Seperate bottels and jars can first be flushed with a stream of nitrogen (welding supply, divers supply) to get the air out - probably overkill accept for sensitive precursors. Moister is very good about finding its way in so consider putting indevigual jars and bottels in seperate freezer bags, then all in one small pale or bucket, then into a larger bucket.

Home depot and lowes sells wonderful 1 - 5 gallon general use plastic buckets with tight fitting tops. I would suggest laying a thick bead of premium silicone calk around the mating surfaces.

Also, you can purchase silica beads from most cafts stores for use as a flower dryer. You know, your new shoes or jackets usually have a packet of this shit in that says dont eat, throw away. Silica is very good with arresting excess moister and can be put in each vessle to insure dry storage.

Take the handle and anything else METAL off your bucket. If they wanted to find it, make sure they wont be able to with metal detectors.

When you are in the woods, higher hilly areas have more rockey soil, lower areas have sandier soil, but tends to be wetter. Bring a sheet or tarp to put the dirt on as you dig. Once done there wont be an obvious location where someone diged.

Burry the bucket about 6 inches down, put a few flat rocks on the top of the bucket so if someone had an ultrasonic device it would be less useable.

Cover with dirt and leaves and thats it. No one in creation will be able to find it, so remember yourself! If one or two years go by consider how much that one tree you vaguely remember is going to look like all the rest!

If you sink a 5 gallon in the ground and have a smaller one gallon inside that is sealed with silicone you can easily reuse the 5 gallon, just leave it there and take the inside container.

You can do this for larger things to, consider those large plastic trunks you can get at walmart for storing clothes or what ever.

enjoy!