electrolytic red of P2NP

[Knoevenagel]

HI

I´ve read the piece on the electrolytic red. of P2NP on the Rhodium page.
Anybody who has had any experience with this one? I do know it´s possible to reduce certain functional groups like, especially nitro, electrolytically. But does this actually work great for P2NP in practice?

Knoevenagel

[Rhodium]

Electroreduction of phenyl-2-nitropropene was one of the preferred routes to amphetamine in the 80's in some parts of Europe.

[Aurelius]

Why did it lose it's popularity?

[Rhodium]

After the fall of the iron curtain in 1989, eastern european labs using industrially produced P2P, aquired by the railroad tanker, in the Leuckart reaction could sell their amphetamine for just a fraction of the price... The competition was very significant, and amphetamine prices over here have fallen to 1/4 or 1/5 of what it was ten years ago. I have no idea about what it costs in bulk, but €10/g for about 50% pure amphetamine is not uncommon at street level in my EU country.

[Aurelius]

that's some cool history- although it sucks if you deal.  However, from a user's stand point, that's a hell of a deal.  considering the best deal aurelius has seen here is around $50-100/g of unknown purity.

[Rhodium]

Is that the US? And is that really dl-amphetamine at that price, and not d-meth?

[foxy2]

Why is europe seem to bee mainly amphetamine?
If they are useing P2P it seems they could get a much higher  yeild making meth, plus the product is stronger.
Why don't they?
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[hest]

I think that we doo that today, but the Leuckart is easy to handel and cheap, so I guess it was a hardt 'congurent' to ged rid off. It my appinion, that today the eastern europe don't make that much amph. to the european market. More and more is made inside the contry (thank's to the net)

But back to the subject. Wee could need a little discution of the elektro redution, not for the pure amph, but for all the other amphetamines (DOB, DOM, ECT.) As you know, I still hate LAH, and catalytic hydrogenation was not the way to doo it.

[Rhodium]

I don't know the psychology of tweekers, but most amphetamine-fiends I have met disapprove of meth as it hasn't got the body rush they are used to... Many of those people like BzP though, as it has even more of it (peripheral symphathomimetic side-effects).

[foxy2]

"peripheral symphathomimetic side-effects"

Arrgg, puke, gag
Thats the shit that kills ya!
Fuck NO, I'll stay away from the peripheral symphathomimetic side-effects, thank you.

You are probably right..  Thats the very reason people keep saying ephedrine meth is better than pseudo meth.  They love that unreduced ephedrine, but their heart shure don't!!
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[Mountain_Girl]

Amphetamine preferred over meth ? I always thought it was the other way around. I have only ever tried amphetamine and have always assumed that meth would be better?
But anyway, this really belongs somewhere in general discourse or something.
As Hest said, back to the subject:
Electochemical reduction to obtain DOM, DOB , etc ?
Also on Rhods page is an electroreduction of the ester of ephedrine - does this really work ?

[Aurelius]

Hey Rhodium, those prices are for meth (no d/l purification- or at least you can't tell the difference with all the damn binders)  all the good cooks (knowledge in chemistry) in the area are doing time.  (one of which is a relative- )  and why would you ask?  this is the US that aurelius speaks of- amphet is rarely seen, the fav is meth.  in fact, aurelius has never actually sampled amphet (poor aurelius)

[Rhodium]

I just asked because the price seemed so high. But d-meth is 4 times stronger than dl-amphetamine, so that is one of the reasons...

[hest]

Is that right rhod ??, That means that the l meth fils some of the 'right' receptores out. I alwayes asumed that it was only a fac. 2. That means taht I have to resolvate my product, hmm. more work.
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[edit] Thank's terbium, that make more sense

And yes, eawen I can't stick to the subject.

[terbium]

Rhodium was comparing d-methamphetamine to racemic amphetamine. One factor of two came from isolating the active optical isomer and the other factor of two was the difference going from amphetamine to methamphetamine.

[Aurelius]

Hey Rhodium, aurelius has seen cheaper meth- even pure d-meth for a lot lower prices, however that's not the case in the area in which aurelius spends most of aurelius' time.

[masterofpuppets]

Rhodium - isn't that incredible cheap for amphetamine???  That works out at about $9 US for 500 gm of pure amphetamine!!  Where swim comes from although purity tends to fluctuate, u could never get it that cheap.
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[Rhodium]

mop: That is cheap, and especially compared with US prices. And I hope you meant $9/500mg amphetamine and not 500 gm...  

[Vibrating_Lights]

Can some one post the link to the electrochem document on rhodiums page.  Swim can't find it for the life of her.

[Aurelius]

https://www.thevespiary.org/rhodium/Rhodium/chemistry/amphetamine.phosphate.html