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Aphids killing my plant.
« on: March 22, 2009, 12:53:55 AM »
I have been growing this thing someone gave me since spring of 2008. I was told it a type of datura. It acts more like a tree and so I am thinking it is actually a brugmansia. This is something I really want to keep alive and healthy, but while I kept it through the winter, aphids began to attack it and have unfortuantly won. At first I tried this dust called Seven, it might have annoyed a few of the aphids, but didn't seem to hurt them at all. I sprayed some very some old diazinon on the leafs, and that still didn't do anything.  Now it is a sad stick, with a few leafs that continue to fall off. I've had also tried spraying soap water on the leafs before I even tried using seven and it seemed to do nothing.
Any ideas as to how I can save my plant?

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Re: Aphids killing my plant.
« Reply #1 on: March 22, 2009, 04:27:48 AM »
Neem maybe.

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Re: Aphids killing my plant.
« Reply #2 on: March 22, 2009, 04:33:26 AM »
What do you mean by neem?
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« Reply #3 on: March 22, 2009, 06:03:49 AM »

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« Reply #4 on: March 22, 2009, 07:21:36 PM »
Use an OPA pesticide, Malathion or Parathion are good. Or use bug spray... I prefer use a OPA pesticide though for reliability and certanity of killing the fuckers.

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« Reply #5 on: April 05, 2009, 06:18:54 AM »
Go try and find some lady bugs.They sell them at certain garden places.then let them go on your plants.They will seek and destroy every last aphid.they are their favorite meal.

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« Reply #6 on: April 05, 2009, 06:42:56 PM »
I captured a few lady bugs a while ago when I noticed I was having this problem, they didn't seem to do much to the population of the aphids, but obviously I didn't have enough, I think I only had around 5-7.
All of the leafs have dropped, and it is starting to get new ones. I think it will be ok once I can take the plant outside for good in another month or so.
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« Reply #7 on: May 03, 2009, 12:01:38 AM »
Neem is great but you have to keep spraying it on every couple of days so the aphids eat enough of it. And it won't kill them right away, it just fucks with their reproductive cycle and they won't lay eggs. However, for me its the best to use because it's organic.
 
I wouldn't worry about it looking like a stick. Datura is a robust, very invasive plant so it will have regrowth in no time. I've seen sticks with no leaves on it whatsoever sprout regrowth (didn't know that was possible without some kind of foliage to perform photosynthesis). 
 
I have a recipe for a traditional flying salve that is primarily datura leaves. I'll try to post it when i have time.

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« Reply #8 on: May 03, 2009, 12:34:52 AM »
Dilute some Listerine in a spray bottle and that will keep aphids at bay. I have to go thru this ever year because the fuckers eat all my cantalope.
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« Reply #9 on: May 03, 2009, 02:46:40 AM »
Oh that sounds like it would work well, thanks for that. Luckily my plant, whatever it is (datura? Brugnasia?) lost all of its leaves and are starting to grow them back. This will make it just have more branches and hopefully look a lot more attractive.
Either way, it is on the road to recovery. :)
I'm pretty excited for this year when it comes to what I'm growing, assuming all of the seeds are viable and will all germinate!
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« Reply #10 on: May 03, 2009, 02:58:27 AM »
That does not look like any datura I have ever seen vesp(and Iv seen more then I wish to ;) ).  Datura branches and splits low and forms a bush so unless thats some weird type I think its something else. If it is datura becareful wouldn't want you chasing glow in the dark chipmonks in your birthday suit now would we ;D. Hint: if you do have to chase them imagine a horse so you have something to ride and you may catch them faster.
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« Reply #11 on: May 03, 2009, 03:04:55 AM »
Haha true good point. When it was given to me it with three other datura plants (Datura "double yellow", and Datura Tatula) it seemed to grow much like both of them. The double yellow looked a lot like this one, tall and un-branched. It  finally bloomed once, and then I accidentally killed it as the pods were forming. Its hard for me to say really, but the name tag on it said datura, and the person seemed pretty knowledgeable about it so I don't know. It will be a surprise I guess.
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« Reply #12 on: May 03, 2009, 03:28:34 AM »
Hmmm... The ones I used to eat where a large bush with great big trumpet flowers on them.

There is a smaller version that grows in cow pastures and shit that have harder more oblong pods... Dont eat these. I could eat one of these pods no problem but every one that ate the smaller version went to the mental hospital. I feel datura would be best used to extract eh alkaloids to synthesis tropan derivitives. Synthetic cocaine anyone?
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« Reply #13 on: May 03, 2009, 03:39:14 AM »
I agree, It is so easy rediculously easy to grow a huge amount of datura unsuspiciously too. I probably grew  30 pounds of live datura last year. Allowed everything to die and blow away however, except for the 2+ pounds of seeds I gathered.
 Extraction I am sure would be a walk in the park. I know adding alcohol to the leafs and allowing it to evaporate produces an oil with visible crystals in it.
I would imagine a large pan/bucket boiling with acidic water and many leaves of datura would yield a nice much of a lot of alkaloids + crud. This assumed black crud could easily be separated to get some nice fine crystals. Dissolve it all in a hot amount of non-polar solvent and add H2SO4, or bubble dry HCl into it. 

What is the easiest cocaine analogue made from atropine or scopolamine? I've seen some but they all seem pretty difficult to make, and use obscure catalysts. I haven't found any in other words that makes me think "Oh cool! This is feasible!"
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« Reply #14 on: May 03, 2009, 09:23:04 PM »
Scopolamine is the scariest compound i've ever come across. I'm not sure i'd want to touch a cocaine analogue that came from it. Thats actually why i make a salve out of the datura because the scopolamine compound isn't absorbed through the skin, only the atropine I believe.

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« Reply #15 on: May 03, 2009, 09:58:53 PM »
what do you mean a slave out of the datura plant?

Speaking of scopolamine being scary, have you seen this? http://www.sobercircle.com/Article.aspx?Article_ID=8
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« Reply #16 on: May 04, 2009, 01:17:16 AM »
Yeah, a friend showed that doc to me after finding out I was into datura. Rough trip to say the least. The worst hell I can think of is to be menacingly dosed with scopolamine.

Further in the article it actually mentioned that scopolamine has the same molecular formula as cocaine they are just structurally different (obviously). Now I’m by no means advanced in organic chem (neither am I academically trained but never underestimate motivation) but I’m sure someone somewhere has rearranged scopolamine into cocaine.

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« Reply #17 on: May 04, 2009, 01:26:47 AM »
I doubt it can be rearanged easily into cocaine, you'd have to rip it to bits and even the "tropane" group is a lot different.
I wish to be proven wrong though!
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« Reply #18 on: May 04, 2009, 01:42:33 AM »
For the Flying salve (ointment):  Datura leaves are boiled down with a base such as animal fat (I use coconut oil) which makes a concentrated green paste which is applied to the skin (painted on, or compacted into a tincture). Traditionally called a flying salve, it was used by witches in the middle ages and is pretty much the reference for why witches are said to “fly”. I’m fairly certain scopolomine is not absorbed through the skin, but feel free to correct me.

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« Reply #19 on: May 04, 2009, 01:51:07 AM »
I'll take your word for it, I don't understand what determines if something is absorbed by skin or not. Do you? sounds like it could be a useful thing to know when working in the lab.
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