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jboogie

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Re: Burning through steel...
« Reply #20 on: September 22, 2010, 05:58:58 AM »
It is certainly possible to cut through metal with an axe, especially if the metal is gotten very cold using a refrigerant  8)

this is exactly what was done on one occasion in orlando many moons ago...

the DEA raided a buddy that was in a hotel in orlando. they busted him and took him off to jail with 20 someodd vials of ketamine and around 900 beans. they didnt check the safe...

we knew that he had just picked up 20k beans and a case of ketamine that day... so we had to go back to the hotel and get the safe. the first problem was getting the safe out of the building, as it was cemented in by a steel shaft that was part of the safe. a collar was made from styrofoam and duct taped to the shaft. this collar was filled with liquid nh3 from another buddies uncle that had access thru a welding and gas supply house. let the shit sit for about 2 minutes, then the side of the safe was hit with a 20lb sledgehammer. CRACK! 1 wack and it was free.

the safe was trucked out to a rural area in sanford and the same was done with the top of the safe. the collar was placed around the sides and it was allowed to chill for a minute or so... then WHAM! again, 1 wack ripped thru the safe like it was wood or plastic...

the only down side to it working so well was the fact that the top of the safe provided no resistance to the sledge hammer and 30 or so vial of K were broken and about 5K pills were shattered into dust.

that was a shitload of gelcaps... ill tell you that much.

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Re: Burning through steel...
« Reply #21 on: September 23, 2010, 08:55:00 PM »
so did you bail him out???

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Re: Burning through steel...
« Reply #22 on: October 29, 2010, 04:52:07 AM »
if one had two of the three keys . pick the third ,got plenty of vids how too pick locks. lot simpler than risking burning the contents of said safe , even the the round key can be picked


"carbon arc  electrode" also know as pin burners in the mining area, burn 992 cat loader boom arm pin out no problem  , melt like butter, case harden
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Re: Burning through steel...
« Reply #23 on: October 29, 2010, 07:51:32 AM »
i'm still trying to figure out is boogie bailed his friend out they got plenty of his funds the least he could do is bail him out.

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« Reply #24 on: October 30, 2010, 12:56:04 AM »
Seems like liquid ammonia would stink something awful, why not use something colder and odorless like liquid nitrogen?

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« Reply #25 on: November 04, 2010, 04:09:07 AM »
so did you bail him out???

i'm still trying to figure out is boogie bailed his friend out they got plenty of his funds the least he could do is bail him out.

not a chance in hell. he was here illegally from cuba after having been deported once already. this time he got 45 years total, with a trip back to cuba if he serves the 45...

he has 33 years left and is already 45. not that good looking really... jail isnt known for increasing the life expectancy.

it wasnt really an option to get him out because of the not being a US citizen. as far as the funds and shit, there were 4 of us (1 was his brother) that went back to get the shit and we all got a healthy take.

keep in mind this is almost 20K pills, so there was plenty to go around. his defense attorney cost almost $25k and that was paid upfront. that was really all we could do... well, that and putting the suspected snitch down for a dirt nap, but i had nothing to do with that part really. ;)

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« Reply #26 on: November 04, 2010, 05:32:46 AM »
yes we understand next time make sure to use the freedom of information act to find out if the "informant" is involved in the case.
not much you can do i understand that.
i've had similar problems with informants and similar tactics employed, not that i would ever condone violence, i hate violence.
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« Reply #27 on: November 04, 2010, 02:57:35 PM »
yes we understand next time make sure to use the freedom of information act to find out if the "informant" is involved in the case.

we did. we got our hands on a report listing a CI# and another subsequent court document that confirmed CI#=rat...

and for what its worth, there was no violence before he took his nap.

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Re: Burning through steel...
« Reply #28 on: November 04, 2010, 04:08:57 PM »
Well that's a shame, considering he just effectively ended someones life.

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« Reply #29 on: November 04, 2010, 04:34:42 PM »
Stone prefers a tranquilizer gun, and is interested in those Mace paintball bullets.  Non-lethal protection is the protection with the least repercussions, with the least mess. 

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« Reply #30 on: November 04, 2010, 04:59:23 PM »
You should check out my book...... Safe Peeling For Dummys.

You could hit the hinges with freon and shatter some of the hinge but I wouldnt. If ya had a cutting torch I still wouldnt use it. If the hinges are on the outside of that safe it is a piece of shit made to keep out the honest man and the casual inquirer.

We go back to the egyptians and their simple machine called the lever in the form of a wedge. You could score with hacksaw or preferably a grinder than hammer in cold chisel. Than take another one and make that puxxy wider. Than another one and snap! Also the sides are probably no thicker than 3/16's you get a hole started and score with grinder you can peel the sides with chisels and crow bars and a 5lb sledge.

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« Reply #31 on: November 04, 2010, 08:58:00 PM »
Yup, on the outside, as well I knew, big, antiquated ol' hunk of shite.

freezing it....LN2 isn't really available, but those fluorinated computer dusters maybe..think that would work?
And I have seen sprays intended for freezing pipes for plumbing work...that might do it.
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Re: Burning through steel...
« Reply #32 on: November 04, 2010, 11:50:47 PM »
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I think though, instead of a compressed air stream, altering the design a little so as to use high pressure pure oxygen from a tank would be worth doing, as such an oxidizing flame ought to make short work of even the highest melting metals, I wouldn't be surprised at all if an oxidizing plasma jet as hot as a miniature suns heliosphere would go through metals such as chromium, titanium, perhaps even tungsten.


Eggzactly so.

You are aware that it is not the external hinges that make the difference,
which only keep the door aligned for opening and closing..

but the (probably) 3/4 or 1 " bolts , of which there are probably a total of 4 or 8
which go into at least 1 inch receivers in the door frame
that need to be handled.

And is there a UL or other rating that you can see?

How about the manufacturer or model number?

Yes, a high pressure oxygen lance (after heating to red hot)
will make a precision cut in high carbon steel that will be as even as your hand is steady.

UL safes have an inner lip which makes hot slag and burnable papers not come in contact.

Actually, this is decades old information stored away in dusty archives
in the lower left cerebral cortex,
and the retrieval system is creaking, and displaying rust and decay.

therefore, use at your own risk.


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« Reply #33 on: November 05, 2010, 01:16:31 AM »
hm.

It looks like an utterly ancient old bugger, sort of like my accursed father, rusted to shit, dont know if i can find a model number.
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Re: Burning through steel...
« Reply #34 on: November 07, 2010, 01:22:43 AM »
« Last Edit: November 07, 2010, 01:25:56 AM by wellbie »

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« Reply #35 on: December 20, 2010, 12:43:15 AM »
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Stone prefers a tranquilizer gun, and is interested in those Mace paintball bullets.  Non-lethal protection is the protection with the least repercussions, with the least mess
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stone under the law that is considered aggravated assault with a deadly weapon and, what's worse you quarry is alive to testify against you so if you want to do something do it right.

or at least make it look like self defense (you know a throwdown/ham sandwhich, etc.)

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Re: Burning through steel...
« Reply #36 on: December 23, 2010, 03:28:58 PM »
Oh I have no idea what is inside it wellbie, not a clue, not much way of telling either, it isn't in the best of shape, cosmetically speaking.

I have decided on thermite to crack this one open, simply because powertools would attract undue attention to my activities, and, well, some people are not as open minded as I am where safecracking is concerned :P

There IS a power supply, or at least I think so, but the use of power tools isn't really an option due to noise, hell, I have already had unwanted attention there from a simple hacksaw on the water pipes (which incidentally are going to be ripe for the picking when the thermite is brought out for some fun and games)

This way at least, it should be nice and quiet.
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Re: Burning through steel...
« Reply #37 on: December 27, 2010, 05:22:25 AM »
Thermite,, and its 'cousins' tend to produce a lot of smoke....if you dwell in "too close comfort"  from a nosy neighbors..  thermite MAY NOT be the way to go!!!!1

   Good luck with it though

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« Reply #38 on: December 29, 2010, 10:20:27 PM »
Oh the idea is along the lines of 'light the charges, whack it with a sledgehammer, make like a banana, and split'

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Re: Burning through steel...
« Reply #39 on: January 02, 2011, 08:28:13 PM »
Liquid nitrogen would of made a great asset to the project , how did the project go ,by the way ,for the sake of Q&A