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Methansaeuretierchen

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Re: Monomethylation of tryptamines
« Reply #40 on: December 11, 2010, 11:13:53 PM »
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Thank you, but  I don't like to work with methyliodide, dms or tmp as long as I can avoid it and I guess less  toxic alkylation agents like dimethyloxalate or dimethylcarbonate can't be used.

The precious-metal catalyzed alkylation of amines by alcohols is probably the safest method here, but the reagents are essentially impossible to obtain, unless you feel like stealing some catalytic converters.

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Primary and secondary alcs. alkylate primary and secondary alkyl and heterocyclic amines in the presence of Rh, Ir and Ru compds. at 100 to give monoalkylated products. Thus, BuNH2 was refluxed 8 h in MeOH with RhH(PPh3)4 (I) to give 98% BuNHMe. Heterocyclic rings were prepd. by inter- or intramol. alkylation. E.g., BuN(CH2)4OH was refluxed in dioxane with I to give 56% N-butyltetrahydropyrrole.

All you need is triphenylphosphine rhodium hydride!
Yummi, that sounds very nice. Can you link the ref?
How much catalyst is needed? 1g costs ~200€ from Aldrich :o
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Re: Monomethylation of tryptamines
« Reply #41 on: December 11, 2010, 11:34:41 PM »
Thanks, Murphy!

Note Sigma-Aldrich offers two products, including the desired hydridotetrakis-triphenylphosphine rhodium (I) but also the related tris-triphenylphosphine-carbonyl-rhodium hydride (I). The former, correct compound has CAS number 18284-36-1.
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Re: Monomethylation of tryptamines
« Reply #42 on: December 13, 2010, 04:41:51 AM »
Note: I think the alien mass is a cyclisation product of the imine caused by the heat of the boiling toluene. A solvent with a lower boiling point, for example DCM and a Dean-Stark trap (modified for heavier solvents than water in case of DCM of course) should produce a much better yield.

Actually, I don't think that the heat should have caused any cyclization, because many ref for the decarboxylation of tryptophan include forming an imine and then heating to a much higher temp than that of boiling toluene.

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Re: Monomethylation of tryptamines
« Reply #43 on: June 22, 2011, 02:20:50 PM »
^ This is also incorrect. The primary tryptamines cannot be methylated to the tertiary amine using reductive methylation (as with tryptamine to DMT), but they can be methylated to the secondary amine because the iminium ion is never formed. - Enkidu

@ Enkidu - Thank you for the Picket Spengler references. I've read through them. I'm confused about your statement above. Was it based on the refs you posted? This is what jumped out at me

The reaction of tryptophan methyl ester (17) with benzaldehyde (18) in benzene at reflux resulted in the tetrahydro-P-carboline 20 in 90% yield. Conversely, the reaction of tryptamine (3) under the analogous conditions resulted only in the formation of the Schiffs base 50 in quantitative yield, as illustrated in Table 3. These results can be rationalized by examination of the PKa values of the two bases: tryptamine, PKa = tryptophan methyl ester, pKa = 7.29.59 The tryptophan methyl ester imine intermediate 19 is clearly more electrophilic than the imine 50, formed from tryptamine (3). In fact, even in the presence of small amounts of tryptophan or tryptophan methyl ester hydrochloride the tryptamine intermediate 50 failed to cyclize.

My interpretation of the reference is that the tryptamine imine is less prone to cyclization under aprotic non-acidic conditions, even with a long reflux. I was also under the impression that a secondary amine is even more reactive than a primary one and thus would form an imine more readily. Is there something I am missing, or misunderstanding? Sorry to be joining the conversation so late.

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Re: Monomethylation of tryptamines
« Reply #44 on: June 22, 2011, 02:42:12 PM »
Enkidu, i really like what you have done here, much appreciated that you have taken the time to correct these posts.

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Re: Monomethylation of tryptamines
« Reply #45 on: June 22, 2011, 11:38:34 PM »
First, the mechanism needs to be considered.

"The Pictet-Spengler reaction has generally been thought to proceed via a spiroindolenine intermediate as shown in Scheme 8 (path A), although Casnatiso has shown that cyclization can occur by direct attack at position 2 of the indole (path B) when very reactive electrophiles are employed."



Therefore, the more the dipole moment is shifted toward the nitrogen, the more susceptible the carbon is to nucleophilic attack. The pKas of the imines are an indirect measure of electrophilic nature of the end of the imine containing the carbon. A Lewis acid is an electron acceptor; since the tryptophan methyl ester Schiff base has the lower pKa, it is more acidic and draws electron density away from the carbon, increasing its susceptibility to nucleophilic attack relative the the tryptamine Schiff base.

"These results can be rationalized by examination of the PKa values of the two [Schiff] bases: tryptamine, PKa = 10.2, tryptophan methyl ester, pKa = 7.29. The tryptophan methyl ester imine intermediate 19 is clearly more electrophilic...."



Here is the the short answer to your question, antibody2. When the Schiff base of a secondary amine is formed (as in the case of the N-methyl tryptamine Schiff base) or an imine is protonated, the nitrogen receives a positive formal charge. This moeity is called an iminium instead of an imine. Because the nitrogen is forced donate more than its desired share of electrons, its electrophilicity increases, and it draws electron density toward itself to an even greater extent than in the case of the tryptophan methyl ester Schiff base.  

When I said "cannot be methylated," I was probably speaking too strongly, because certain rxn conditions could limit the formation of the of unwanted cyclic product. For instance, the reason that STAB (edit: which apparently cannot be used on unprotected indoles) is used is because the reagent is not strong enough to quickly reduce the aldehyde or ketone, yet as soon as the iminium is formed, the hydride attacks the electrophilic carbon before the ring can, preempting cyclization.
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