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Re: 450mg Methylenedioxyamphetamine Hydrochloride
« Reply #20 on: December 01, 2010, 08:04:33 AM »
3 Am Here, Guess what, I'm back up ! I'm starting to think I fucked up real bad with MDA...It takes forever to fall asleep and well, when I fall asleep, it doesn't takes to long before I wake the fuck up...If it continue like that I'm going to look like a fucking zombie in a week...Nice way to start my exam...At least I found a way not to wake up in sleep paralysis.....To be continued :(

I'm not really interested to go back in bed actually...What the fuck ???

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Re: 450mg Methylenedioxyamphetamine Hydrochloride
« Reply #21 on: December 02, 2010, 12:09:22 AM »
you must have a very sensitive sertonin system and i suggest that in the future not to mess with it.
insomnia, appetite changes, and anxiety are all signs of low serotonin.
try the 5htp thing to restore your serotonin.
i know a place you can get it cheap cheap pm me.
for some reason my serotonin pathways are more resilient than yours but everybody is different.

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Re: 450mg Methylenedioxyamphetamine Hydrochloride
« Reply #22 on: December 02, 2010, 12:49:56 AM »
I'll definitly give a decent break to my 5-HT system. Last days have been a living nightmare. My dopamine system can take much abuse though  ;D

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Re: 450mg Methylenedioxyamphetamine Hydrochloride
« Reply #23 on: December 02, 2010, 02:26:40 PM »
i've had similar symptoms in the past from mdxx abuse, minus the lucid dreaming.  i remember sleep being horrible.  during the day i was excessively emotional and everything felt very surreal all the time like a mild onset of LSD but constant throughout the day, also anxiety was very high.  i'm a person that loves sleep, i don't like stims (aside from psychedelic stims) because they interfere with precious sleep.  but i remember hating going to sleep.  right as i was on the verge of going unconscious i get zapped back awake.  sleep would come with some difficulty and nightmares would ensue, i'd wake up several times through the night not wanting to go back to sleep cuz i woke up feeling more anxiety than i went to sleep probably due to the nightmares.  i'd pass back out from exhaustion of not getting enough sleep and go right back to nightmares.  this went on for about 5-7 days then the week after i was still out of it a little but it was much much more manageable.  the week after that and i was on my way back to normal.  this is without supplements but i have a long history of mdxx use so others may react or recover differently, can't say.  what they say about exercise really is true, exercise and eating right helps more than anything.  i'd say sleep does also but at this stage you have little control over the quality and duration of sleep so just do what you can with exercise and food.  as mentioned earlier, 5htp will speed things along but i found 5htp gave me a weird stimulation i didn't like so my experience with 5htp is very short-lived, i was probably overdoing it on the 5htp though is my guess cuz i've never heard anyone else mentioned stimulant effects from 5htp

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« Reply #24 on: December 02, 2010, 04:04:41 PM »
Thanks a lot for your advices NPH!

It was seriously awful 2-3 days ago but it got better last night. Still not able to sleep more than one hour at a time (Got two hours of sleep total last night and had an exam this morning lol). I did get some brain zaps at the end of the night but thanks god, no sleep paralysis. No nightmares either as far as I remember. Being afraid to go to bed sucks really bad lol :-\. I'm still waiting for my damn 5-htp...I shous probably also do more exercice lol ;D

I got my lesson though, won't abuse MDxx that way in the future. I crossed the limit and I don't plan on going back there in the future lol.

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« Reply #25 on: December 02, 2010, 05:50:31 PM »
for long-time use it would be best to not exceed doing it once every month and that one time not being an overly excessive dose (for me that means no more than 200-300mg mdma).  doing it once a month has never gotten me into trouble, although i tend to go several months from time to time just due to circumstances my use is sporadic.  but abuse will definitely put you in a bad place, glad to hear you're noticing improvement.  you'll definitely improve pretty fast to where it no longer interferes or bothers you.  i find it takes longer to recover when you've been doing it excessively for a long time as opposed to a single large binge.  like doing it every weekend (not binging just moderate doses) for a considerable amount of time like months or years, in my case it took a whole year to get back to normal.  i recovered pretty quick from serotonin depletion but the psychological effects are what lasted for close to a year and that was just basically feeling jaded to everything.  not unlike other drugs do to you.  if serotonin depletion isn't reason enough to take it "slow and steady" then the other reason is tolerance.  even when you dose higher to make up for tolerance it just isn't the same as when you have little to no tolerance.  so to continue enjoying mdxx's the key is taking long breaks and not binging, tolerance builds with mdxx's faster than anything else i've ever done except for perhaps lsd/shrooms/etc seem on par with tolerance building incredibly fast

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« Reply #26 on: December 02, 2010, 08:29:42 PM »
Took a nap the whole afternoon since I have another class tonight. While I had vivid dreams, they were actually all pleasant (ROFL I dreamt about organic chemistry stuff the whole time so it seems to be recovering kinda fast. The nap I took 2-3 days ago was damn weird to say the least. I gotta agree with you, those MDxx are definitly not substance to  abuse, unless you're wishing to fuck your brain forever. My mood is still going really up and down but so far I'm pleased with the progress only in a few days  ;D . Tolerance isn't so much a problem since you probably understand it doesn't cost me too much, but serotonin depletion IS DEFINITLY gonna keep me away from binging...It frightened me enough that I almost accepted never touching it again in my life. Seriously, reading reports about sleep paralysis/brain zaps/nightmares is something, living it is something else. My situation seemed a lot more extreme than what I've read on bluelight. It's awfully stupid I know, But I think my brain didn't really like doing it 3 times in a week, especially the 2g MDA + X g MDMA trip...

Thanks again for your advice/support...Looks like this situation is ''common'' among researchers ;)
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Re: 450mg Methylenedioxyamphetamine Hydrochloride
« Reply #27 on: December 04, 2010, 01:27:58 AM »
Ever heard of benzos!?

Well,I definitely don't use more than 200-300mg per week (one night+ redoses) if that much (sometimes don't take it for weeks)
but some bromazepam and diazepam (take one mild pill of each) bring me to sleep w/o problem.
One thing I noticed about MDMA...Short time before peak I feel awful and worried that 2magic" is gone,first it comes slow and than it
hits you before you can end the sentence! :-) With max of 1,5m/kg does + some redose hour after total "trip" lasts no more than 2,5-3h
than it turns more into trippy MDA than MDMA state (I guess metabolite!) and it finally crashes as fast as it onsets.
After awful,awful crash that lasts lets say 15-min to an hour,I fall into state of "mental vacuum" (allmost like opiates,but no euphoria and cozy part)
which I learned to enjoy after some time since my brain works like mad all the time! Next morning you have weird kind of thought processing
but it is soon over and rest of the day is as you said "surreal" and nice (in afterglow) but two to tree days after
horrible and persistend depression strikes in (mild doses of benzos and heroic doses of 5-HTP helps a lot!!!)

Take jon's advice! Some 5-HTP+vitamin C,E days after and A LOT of Mg,vitamin C / E hours before taking MDxx.
I tried it on myself and friends many times(did even placebo tests to be really scientific ;-) ),it costs allmost nothing in comparison what you get!
Makes HUGHE difference in reducing of side effects and quality of the next "trip"!

Don't worry about brain zaps,it is probably autosuggestion.
I had those as kid before I even drank!
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Re: 450mg Methylenedioxyamphetamine Hydrochloride
« Reply #28 on: December 04, 2010, 04:36:45 AM »
Auto suggestion?
There once were some bees and you took all there stuff!
You pissed off the wasp now enough is enough!!!

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« Reply #29 on: December 04, 2010, 04:16:02 PM »
Depending on what he means under "brain zaps".
One is monumental feeling that very tense line in your head just snapped and hit you with electroshock
allmost blacking you out and other is complete SSRI withdrawal syndrome.
Second is much less likely to be autosuggestion but It's possible,mind is in control of body.
I newer had or noticed those before reading about them.
Same thing as placebo.
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Re: 450mg Methylenedioxyamphetamine Hydrochloride
« Reply #30 on: December 04, 2010, 05:01:09 PM »
Ever heard of benzos!?


Never ever encountered benzos once...I suppose it sometimes could be handy, especially with stimulants :D


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« Reply #31 on: December 04, 2010, 06:31:35 PM »
It suposed to be rethorical question! LOL

If MDMA is Santa than benzos are his little helpers! :-D

Seriously,next time take MILD doses of benzos after crash and tell me the difference!
(5mg of diazpam(Valium) for body+2mg bromazepam for mind(or 5mg of Xanax if bromazepam is not available where you live) 
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Re: 450mg Methylenedioxyamphetamine Hydrochloride
« Reply #32 on: December 04, 2010, 06:36:10 PM »
I shall try to acquire some in the future :D

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« Reply #33 on: December 04, 2010, 07:39:24 PM »
If you don't live in Antarctica or third world country then you will find them easily,probably even legaly.
No wait,Nazis live in Antarctica and they are cool about science! Yep,you can find them in Antarctica too! :-)
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« Reply #34 on: December 04, 2010, 08:38:07 PM »
Hmm, you like opiates yet never encountered Xanax? I find that hard to believe. Hell around here if you went to the clinic before suboxans came out, they would send you home with 10 blue hydrocodone and 5 blue xanax for a daily dose so you didn't revert to using dope again. Didn't really work because everyone was just selling there pills to go buy more dope....

Yes for SSRI induced side effects there is nothing that beats xanax imho. I would more then likely have died from serotonin syndrome hadn't been for the requiem of Xanax I was also on.
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« Reply #35 on: December 04, 2010, 10:23:04 PM »
If you don't live in Antarctica or third world country then you will find them easily,probably even legaly.
No wait,Nazis live in Antarctica and they are cool about science! Yep,you can find them in Antarctica too! :-)

Haha, I actually never looked for them...I suppose they could be useful when I just want to sleep and just can't haha

Hmm, you like opiates yet never encountered Xanax? I find that hard to believe. Hell around here if you went to the clinic before suboxans came out, they would send you home with 10 blue hydrocodone and 5 blue xanax for a daily dose so you didn't revert to using dope again. Didn't really work because everyone was just selling there pills to go buy more dope....

Yes for SSRI induced side effects there is nothing that beats xanax imho. I would more then likely have died from serotonin syndrome hadn't been for the requiem of Xanax I was also on.

Hey Sedit, I think you're actually mistaking me for somebody else :D I've never taken opiates of any kind once in my life. I have no interest whatsoever in that class of compounds. I'm a savvy stimulants user though :D

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« Reply #36 on: December 04, 2010, 11:01:59 PM »
No i mentioned the opiate use because you made mention a few post back that your dopamine system can take some abuse. I just generally equated this to being opiate use.
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« Reply #37 on: December 04, 2010, 11:21:56 PM »
Isn't endorphin system one you screw with when you take opiates and dopamine being (ab)used with amphetamine,cocaine etc. !?

Xanax is great (alprazolamum) but give a try to the bromazepam (lexotan/lexaurin) if you have a chace!
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Re: 450mg Methylenedioxyamphetamine Hydrochloride
« Reply #38 on: December 05, 2010, 10:37:37 PM »
The various neurotransmitters are all connected and you can't really talk about the "such-and-such system" outside of some sweeping generalities.

OP needs to take some benzos or kava (kava is best when extracted and smoked; fuck the damn powder drinking) and sleep it off; realistically you should be fine. I think the anxiety produced by MDxx comedowns leads people to come up with some truly fantastic ideas about what it might have done to them.

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« Reply #39 on: December 05, 2010, 11:33:50 PM »
Of course that all systems are interconected but you need some generalization!
You can't dipute that MDMA for example screws with serotonine system more than with endorphine system and morphine vice versa.

Kava kava is hard to come by here,but I also got that idea.
Hope that hadfull of pill extract helps too...
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