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Member's Chemistry Education
« on: May 01, 2011, 12:52:47 AM »
I am curious as to each member's chemistry education. Obviously there are many here in the know more so then others and I am curious how many of them are self-taught as to formally trained. Understandably some may not wish to divulge too specifically but even just a generalization would be appreciated. I'll start.

Although I have a Bachelor's in Business my only formal chemistry education was a high school chemistry course (that I long since forgotten). All chemistry I know has been learned through forums, Wikipedia, and more recently college textbooks (both physical ones and PDF ones). Also from home lab "experiments" (you know like just making nice innocent differently colored flames of fire  ;D). All this learning has come in the last 2 years.
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Re: Member's Chemistry Education
« Reply #1 on: May 01, 2011, 01:59:22 AM »
Bachelors Degree in Computer Science.  Never had a single chemistry class in my entire life.  Tutored by husband, self taught, forums, internet, several really good laboratory techniques books.  Lots of journal articles and just trial and error.

I did have some pretty deep physics classes as well as biology which was my best science subject.  Physics seems pretty inseparable from chemistry to my mind. 

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Re: Member's Chemistry Education
« Reply #2 on: May 01, 2011, 06:05:49 AM »
no formal chemistry education.  everything i learned was from books, chem websites, and these forums.

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Re: Member's Chemistry Education
« Reply #3 on: May 01, 2011, 07:53:44 AM »
I'm working on my bachelor's in chemistry now, want to at least get my masters. Lot to go.

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« Reply #4 on: May 01, 2011, 09:22:10 AM »
Just chemistry in highschool. Beside that I have just learnt from what I have read on Wikipedia, the forums and a few good books. Hoping to start a bachelors in Chemistry next year

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Re: Member's Chemistry Education
« Reply #5 on: May 01, 2011, 10:26:37 AM »
All my chemistry knowledge is from reading books, experimenting and browsing over various online forums like these ;) .

However next week is when I can apply for chemistry education, now I just have to do it :)...

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« Reply #6 on: May 01, 2011, 03:42:58 PM »
 Almost the same for me..long ago high school chem...also ,,long since forgotten...so the past couple of years in my spare time,,I have been trying to "get it to make sense again.." TF(thank Fuck) for erowid/Rhodium,various books,, and the WWW in general--I've learnt a lot,,but not enough to share any chemistry of great (or any worth!)......... coz its already so well covered in this forum alone!
   NO shit ,,if I were to try and read the couple of gigs of data on this forum, alone would take me Years,,,plus You tube,,and SM (which is how I 'found' this wonderful forum....)
       I'd just like to say thanx to all of you who have made this such a "user friendly forum"  I like science "in general" but "the aspects" of organic chemistry,,covered by this forum,,have become to me "necessary and essential knowledge"
    TEN cheers to you Vesp,,you've doing a GREAT job,,and to all the Mods and helpers,,  thanx for your help and care....Hyppy
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Re: Member's Chemistry Education
« Reply #7 on: May 01, 2011, 07:17:30 PM »
AP chemistry in High School.
Either going to major in chemistry or computer science.
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Re: Member's Chemistry Education
« Reply #8 on: May 01, 2011, 07:47:07 PM »
Found this hobby then changed my major to chem

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Re: Member's Chemistry Education
« Reply #9 on: May 01, 2011, 07:51:30 PM »
I'm a little bit surprised how everyone is self-taught here. I have used the actual UCLA and UNLV syllabuses, degree catalogs, and actual textbooks in their libraries seeing EXACTLY what every little bit of knowledge consists of an undergrad chemistry degree and I frequently never find a lot of what you guys talk about within that scope. This was leading me to believe some of you have both PhDs and experience in the field. UCLA actually has custom textbooks in their library that consists of only the chapters they go over in each class so I know very specifically what they all go over and dont. As best as I can tell an undergrad chem degree at most schools leaves off after going over all the functional groups. The undergrad degree seems to be fairly light on reaction mechanisms going over only one or two for each functional group and yet I hear that talk all the time here. Meanwhile I read about stuff that the books go over in much detail right from the start that I never see here (like electron orbiting angles, s and p shell filling charts, and electronegativity values). Anyways I'm just surprised by how much everyone is self-taught. I could have sworn there were many formally trained here.

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« Reply #10 on: May 01, 2011, 10:25:35 PM »
Some people like to dive in deep you can't make much of interest here without graduate level stuff being involved.  Education is overrated.  This and other places like it are about practical chemistry.  Practical chemistry is a harsh mistress - it works or it don't.  Theoretical is all fine and dandy but knowing it too well can be a help or a hindrence, cause a lot of time things in the real world don't quite line up with theoretical.

Go back and read the Old 19th and early 20th chemistry text books - they started out doing shit really fast back in that day.   Most people here started off with stuff that is graduate level in terms of following recipes.  Some understand what they're doing and others don't.  If you don't know chemistry very deeply it is easy to be bullshitted by fancy words etc.

Saw an old thread on wetdreams the other day - someone asked if they reacted meth again would that boost the meth. 

thought of starting a thread titled "You know they don't have a clue when...."

I can detect Bullshitting in computer science but not with the same skill in chemistry.  You do need to learn to tell who is on the up and up and who is bullshitting.  Many people will outright lie and make it sound good.

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Re: Member's Chemistry Education
« Reply #11 on: May 02, 2011, 12:47:46 AM »
Funny all this considering by the time I was like 14 years old I had read and reread my teachers eddition college organic chemistry book perhaps 50-100 times over and thats not exactly light reading. Funny considering at that age my biggest stumbling block was orbitals although I had a fair grasp on them it was not as strong as much of my other understanding. Now I look at reaction arrows and have trouble understanding them... everytime I learn them.
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Re: Member's Chemistry Education
« Reply #12 on: May 02, 2011, 12:41:29 PM »
 Very well put Salat,,and as you can see from Sedits comment, it can be a True Passion, and for many here it is, in varying degrees of both knowledge and understanding....

 In many ways, this type of chemistry often "Requires" flexible thinking and many "educated guesses"
 As you well know Salat,, there "Isnt ONLY one way"--- Our beloved Jon has discovered many neat things, to many's benefit...there ARE a LOT of very clever people here
 Vesp you've done a great job, and as for college,,do what's the Most Fun
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Re: Member's Chemistry Education
« Reply #13 on: May 02, 2011, 03:20:12 PM »
for me it has become a dangerous obsession, 5 days a week i get between 4 - 2 hours sleep.. i have never had something i could sink my teeth into like this, the only thing, is that in chem there is so much to learn i just dont give up one thing leads to the next and so on..

i have no formal theory chemistry training, self taught.. most of which began 1 month ago. although i have alot of prac experience which has been a pretty interesting adventure interesting and tediously draining


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« Reply #14 on: May 02, 2011, 07:04:16 PM »
Our beloved jon....

Now there's a term I never thought I'd hear.... ;D

You're slipping jon!!

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« Reply #15 on: May 03, 2011, 08:06:27 AM »
  ROFLMAO  seriously.......How harsh a mistress are you, Salat,,do you let you're husband post? ;D

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« Reply #16 on: May 03, 2011, 10:28:29 AM »
Physics Bsc dropout here. No formal education in chemistry besides school. Self taught from old USSR books, now updating and re-learning everything to modern concepts/English terminology.

Edit: ahh and forgot - next year applying to university to get a degree in chemistry.
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« Reply #17 on: May 03, 2011, 11:21:51 PM »
AP chemistry in High School.
Either going to major in chemistry or computer science.

Same here. If everything works out I will be going for a Phd. in organic. :D

On a similar note: Vesp, I never knew you were so young (at last I assume that this is not going back to college because you have mentioned college students in several different places.) I always assumed that you were in your 40's or so. I guess that is the beauty of the internet though. :)
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Re: Member's Chemistry Education
« Reply #18 on: May 03, 2011, 11:54:01 PM »
Harsh mistress is sometimes the case since we play those games.  I was mostly just poking fun of jon.

My husband has posted a few times.  He has Aspergers so in general he tends to piss people off without trying.  Even when he belonged to the hive he didn't talk much.   It's a bit frustrating because sometimes people don't believe in him because of alter ego games and the SWIM sort of talk used on these forums sometimes.  I really am an advanced newbie and he's self taught.  I once posted a pic of one of his setups and it was pristine while mine look like something the cat drug in.

Is there a ghost in the avatar for real?  I just photoshopped a cat with a picture of one of my setups and added some background but it was pretty much random.

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Re: Member's Chemistry Education
« Reply #19 on: May 04, 2011, 12:07:09 AM »
high school chem and college chem...i used to be a chem major but switched to nursing. i actually graduate in a few days so i'm pretty excited but hope to go back for a bachelor's in chem within the next couple years. i tutor gen chem and org chem 3 times a week at a community college getting paid minimum wage but i love it.