Ok so i started this thread for people, who will mostly turn out to be me to bring forth ideas and need help from other creative make shifters who have been around a while..


now the idea i bring forward is, does anybody know of a type of pellet or pill, that can be dried in the oven on low heat to make it very moisure hungry, just like drying epsom salts, that stuff absorbs unbelievable amounts of moisture.

obviously this stuff has to be safe for consuption aswell.. maybe a product already on the market like a weak paracetamol?

Water can dissolve several times its weight in mdma hcl, this means we can have very potent mdma drops..

if there is a type of pill or pellet that can be dried in an oven then take it out, drip 1 drop of mdma water on each then put it back in the oven for a little while..

i had pills once that definantly had LSD in them... maybe the pills were rinsed in a solvent that had some lsd in it, however they put it in there, it was liquid to tablet, just like dripping it on blotter paper

I have many more ideas but i just thought of this one now, ill post more later.

The pill would swell and loose its shape . Then in a bag they would rub on eachother and powder .

Why bother ? when one could just mix the X with pill material powder and then press it ?

Or Sugar cubes ?

Or sphagetti ?

Or gelatine or something with the same qualitys where one doesnt have to murder animals and make windowpains

I`ve been wondering about separateing things from solvents useing electric charge = load the flask with the + / - charge that would cause the stuff thats in solution to stick to the sides of the flask for ages . This is a post i posted on my web site  that explains the thoughts please read and comment ------>

"OK i woke up this morning to this and it / the implications nearly blew my head off .

"Nano-Gadget Holds the Salt

Water desalination plants can effectively turn seawater into drinking water, but they're hardly portable. Now a team has created a salt-removing gadget so small that hundreds of them could fit onto a penny. If researchers can scale up this invention into a working device, it could generate up to a glass of fresh water per minute using about the same energy as a table lamp does.

The most common desalination technology, known as reverse osmosis, involves applying pressure to seawater to force salt ions through a membrane. Reverse osmosis is used in large facilities that generate drinking water for entire cities. Although portable reverse-osmosis devices are available, most work slowly and have trouble filtering out water pollutants.

So engineer Jongyoon Han of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology in Cambridge and his team took a look at another technology: ion channel polarization . ICP has been around for a while, says Han, but it's never been used to desalinate water. In ICP, a liquid with charged and neutral ions, such as seawater, is run through a channel. Along the channel is an electrical potential that repels charged particles. This causes the liquid to split, creating one stream with charged particles and another with neutral particles. "We thought, if we apply this technique to the seawater, then we can eliminate [salt] ions," says Sung Jae Kim, head of the project and a postdoc in Han's lab.

To test whether ICP could remove salt and other charged contaminants in water, such as bacteria and certain pollutants, Kim added blood cells to seawater and tagged them with fluorescent dye. Kim then put the saltwater through a channel the width of a few hairs and had it pass through the ion-repulsion area. On one side was a very salty, fluorescent mixture, and on the other side was freshwater-though that water would still need to be put through a charcoal filter to eliminate neutral materials, such as hydrocarbons, from industrial pollution. So you could shower with water produced by ICP alone, says Kim, but you still wouldn't want to drink it.

The researchers, who report their findings today online in Nature Nanotechnology, haven't yet figured out how to string thousands of these units together. Their dream is to create a portable device that can run on a solar cell battery and provide emergency relief to people living in drought-ridden or disaster-struck countries. Kim says his calculations suggest that he will need to integrate some 1600 nano-units onto a 20-centimeter wafer to generate about 300 milliliters of water per minute.

An obstacle, says Olgica Bakajin, chief technology officer and a nanotechnologist at Porifera, a company that designs water-filtration membranes in Hayward, California, is for the researchers to figure out how to take this nano-unit and turn it into a portable gizmo. It won't be enough to link all those units without creating some sort of device, she says. "I just can't see that a wafer's going to be something you put in your backpack."

Bruce Logan, an environmental engineer at Pennsylvania State University, University Park, says that ICP seems to offer one clear advantage over reverse osmosis: it does a better job of sifting out charged pollutants and could be more efficient at removing bacteria and some industrial waste compounds.

But many reverse-osmosis facilities and devices remove even more salt ions, says Tom Pankratz, director of the International Desalination Association in Topsfield, Massachusetts. Just because something meets accepted ion-level standards, he says, doesn't make it taste salt-free. "My guess is that [ICP desalination] will never replace reverse osmosis, but it will find some little market," he says"

http://news.sciencemag.org/sciencenow/2010/03/nano-gadget-holds-the-salt.html

Did that ring bells ? = ---------->
Separating chemicals in a solution because of their electrical charge .
Portable devices wich will be reletively cheep to buy because lack of drinking water is a world wide problem especialy in poor countrys .
Very small energy needs / costs .
It works fast .
If it works with water why not , at least in the future , shouldnt it work with other solvents ."

It is a laxative if I recall... And the magnesium ion also alters the blood brain barrier so there might be some odd interaction?

Seems a little odd to use already pressed pills for this. But, I very much like the idea of spaghetti.

"sounds just like my second idea"

Thats why i said it  = you had a GOOD idea . My cacti extract freinds are looking for ways to get things out of solvents without haveing to evaporate them as they cant afford to do that as the neighbours called the pigs the last time ........ AGAIN .......

I didnt want to dissmiss it ..... i just pointed out something i have seen = wet pills swelling up and falling apart  ...... try it and see ....... thats what they are made to do .

"what you mean just press it, lol a home pill press yeah right."

One can make a press very easily and who needs a press anyway ? I`ve seen loads of underground pills that werent pressed . I`ll think about it and if i remember how to do it i`ll post it here if you want ?

About the last two things ...... No and i dont know . Dont understand where that / those two substances fit in ? Please explain .

The spagetti thing came from seeing spagetti died blue and cut into dots and sold as acid ........

Dunno how i come over but i`ve been told that i definately have aspergers or something similar .... I try my best . Sorry . Please have patience .

Dealing with fumes -
See attached document which is a scan from the Ready Reference Chemical Technicians book.

Also over at wetdreams they had some threads that suggested hanging wet towels to trap methylamine fumes. I believe science madness had a thread on how to tap into your water supply to flush down fumes.

Salat

Multi-thousand dollar tablet presses aren't all about speed of operation.

A good tablet needs good pressure, which you are not going to get from anything handheld nor improvised quickly at home. Without good pressure, the tablets will fall apart from minor touch, handling, or humidity.

I have my doubts about finding a readily available tablet which can act as a sort of sponge for MDMA (or another psychoactive compound roughly in that dosage range) without falling apart when soaked with water. When the tablet's existing soluble components go into solution, the tablet will lose its integrity.

Your LSD tablet could have been either pressed from powder already containing the active, or it could have been lightly droppered. If it was the latter, then nowhere near as much water would be required to carry the LSD compared to MDMA.

I don't know why so many people are fascinated with making junk tablets. If you can't handle $2k minimum for a decent motorized press, then just use gelcaps.

TLS, are you in a dry or humid climate?

psychexplorer .......LOL..... Hit the nail on the head ..... I would think that that is a key to it ....... but one that all you chemistry genii could suss out ......... a work space thats got dry air and an air tight storage method are a must i think .......

What i am talking about is a lot of work but someone did it and did it a hell of a lot judgeing by the amount of micro dots and those speed pills that were around over the years  .

Could go into a BIG discussion about presentation forms of substances BUT personaly i think  . ......  why the people that have it dont just sell it in powder or liquid form in bulk ..... from what i have seen the punters like it that way ........ here at least drops and powder go very well  ... i think that anyone who had those quantitys would be more than a total dickhead if he sold it in small quantitys ...... first make it then stash it then get rid of the equipment / evidence and then sell it in bulk and then have a rest for an unspecifyed time .  A friend of mine once locked himself in his apartment for 6 weeks and made a kilo of X then did that and lived of it for ages .  Didnt need to even touch it just had good customers . They paid for 100 gs at a time and he told them where to dig it up .

BUT as usual the main risk is the chemist himself and his psychology .  The people with the LSD silo in the states are a good example of how not to do it . THey made the most stupid "mistakes" . It should be ......... No criminals ,. No credit .No continuety . No women . No one one doesnt know VERY well and have the goods on .  No partys in a drug lab . No selling or giveing small quantitys <------- = ego wank and trying to buy friends by impressing them . One doesnt need friends that one has to buy or impress . . And its better not to see things in $$$$$$$ trying to squeeze the maximum profit out ...... that means dealing with the wrong sort of people ..... selling in small amounts ..... and the whole thing takeing much to long . .

I read that a mixture of dry product plus a mixture of finely powdered ......lactose with 20 % sucrose ........  plus wet with half half ethanol and water is good .

But i`m 110 % theory ....... I´d like to know that all for sure though so if anyone has any experience / thoughts cough em up please .

What sedit says sounds good ...... some sort of edable resin ....... i mean for fucks sake how long do some sweets / candy last for and stay in one piece ? Grannys cook book might help ..

Giuy i dont understand why it must be packed in any way ? That takes extra time and money . Powders and liquids are liked by dealers because they can cut them . All they can do with tablets is shave them or make them more expensive wich people notice . If someone sells a poweder thats cut 10 % and another person sells a powder cut 20 % who notices ?

I am not advocateing cutting things . Quality sells it self . Once a customer knows that he can get something good he will save money and not buy from others . Cultivateing customers makes buisness easyer and the customer more loyal .

OK BUT brand mark selling to end customers is not clever . Selling to people / middle men / dealers who do the selling is better = You have contact one time to one person get paid and not have a que of punters 24/7 knocking on your door beamed out of their brains leaveing a car full of their friends in front of your house or ringing up talking dangerous crap on the fone or forming ques in partys that even the blindest pig can see   . Where i am the punters like drops and powders if they are good and a seller gets a reputation for the quality and price of what he sells = it sells it self if its good  .

What is wanted ? A few good clean deals with not as much money with people who have more to loose than a normal punter or a dirty long set of deals with more money with people who have nothing to loose and dont give a shit about you and because of it getting 5 years in the nick being fucked in the arse by psychopathic megolomaniac nutters ....... and then when one gets out being on the pigs kill on sight list for ever ?