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Formaldehyde
« on: May 05, 2009, 12:23:17 AM »
 Has anyone has luck with a material called campa chem? Its a formaline mixture but I dont know what the concentration is or if there is other contamination.
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Re: Formaldehyde
« Reply #1 on: May 05, 2009, 12:25:33 AM »
I bought a decent amount for fairly cheap of the paraformaldehyde. It is stained blue, but with a lot of methanol, the blue dye for the most part can be washed out. I have never bought the liquid mixture however. I think it would also likley be blue, and just harder to clean.
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Re: Formaldehyde
« Reply #2 on: May 05, 2009, 12:37:48 AM »
Distillation should handle that no? I didn't see the para there or I would have chose that over a dilute solution anyday and just degraded it prior to use when I needed it.
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Re: Formaldehyde
« Reply #3 on: May 05, 2009, 03:04:45 AM »
yeah, it is found in a box, and then comes in nice little packets so you don't have to open an entire lot of it.
I think either base or acid help depolymerize the paraformaldehyde, though I'm not sure.
I've ever really used it much, and would probably only use it for hexamine right now anyways.
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Re: Formaldehyde
« Reply #4 on: May 05, 2009, 03:18:02 AM »
Yeh its just a few drops of sulfuric and a gental heat to recover the aldehyde. Formaline can be used for MeNH3 synthesis right?
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Re: Formaldehyde
« Reply #5 on: May 05, 2009, 03:37:04 AM »
Yes it does, I am not sure how though, i think hexamine works better with higher yields and so i think it is advised to turn it into hexamine first and then add HCl.
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Re: Formaldehyde
« Reply #6 on: May 05, 2009, 05:06:25 AM »
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all your formaldehyde needs.  Blue dye not included.  actually they have alot of niffty stuff.

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Re: Formaldehyde
« Reply #7 on: May 05, 2009, 04:04:31 PM »
Yes it does, I am not sure how though, i think hexamine works better with higher yields and so i think it is advised to turn it into hexamine first and then add HCl.

Unless you use reduced pressure.  If you have tons of formaldehyde, and tons of ammonium chloride, just use that directly with slight reduced pressure.  No need to waste time (and product) converting to hexamine.  Plus, a 55 gallon drum of 37% formaldehyde looks a whole lot better than a 25 kilo sack of hexamine.

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Re: Formaldehyde
« Reply #8 on: May 06, 2009, 04:54:09 PM »
Unless you use reduced pressure.  If you have tons of formaldehyde, and tons of ammonium chloride, just use that directly with slight reduced pressure.



I think this is the general consensus, if you have access to 37% formaldehyde then it is the way to go.

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Re: Formaldehyde
« Reply #9 on: August 03, 2009, 02:00:38 AM »
There is an endless supply of cheap %37 formaldehyde on Ebay. Shipping is cheap too....... However I would personally recommend not to pour the shit all over your carpet.

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Re: Formaldehyde
« Reply #10 on: August 03, 2009, 03:11:45 AM »
I strongly advice everyone to never buy from ebay. I know for a fact that they turn over everything on you if someone asks, no court order necessary
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Re: Formaldehyde
« Reply #11 on: August 03, 2009, 03:18:33 AM »
Ebay has been known to give up information not even asked for if the purchase seemed in question. They are well known to be the side arm of the DEA so due caution should be used whenever purchases are made thru them.
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« Reply #12 on: August 03, 2009, 03:22:25 AM »
alot of farm/animal supply/stock feed etc places have this I heard/.  The Para is what is difficult my end, and wondering a pointer for these blue ones discussed.

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Re: Formaldehyde
« Reply #13 on: August 03, 2009, 03:25:58 AM »
alot of farm/animal supply/stock feed etc places have this I heard/.  The Para is what is difficult my end, and wondering a pointer for these blue ones discussed.

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Campa-Chem, although it's dirty as hell. Some of the nasty shit (most of the dye, some of the fragrance) can be removed by washing it with methanol.

I've heard that there's a product called "mildewcyde" which is supposed to be pretty good, although I've never seen it.
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« Reply #14 on: August 03, 2009, 03:56:16 AM »
Half of these joints have been taken over by the bigger bizzos and they stock shit.  Small bussiness this end is a history lesson. Thanks, and will lookout for said saids.

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Re: Formaldehyde
« Reply #15 on: August 03, 2009, 04:18:33 AM »
Oh man, I didn't realize that someone said the exact same thing earlier on the page. That's what I get for skimming pages. Apologies.
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« Reply #16 on: August 03, 2009, 05:10:40 AM »
Mildewside wasnt, or I dont think was said , whiich I will be looking out for, as I am pretty sure I may of seen it somewhere, Thanks.

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Re: Formaldehyde
« Reply #17 on: August 03, 2009, 06:51:27 PM »
I know at wal-mart they sell these little packet things of paraformaldehyde, supposedly tech grade for the most part(perhaps dyed. i didn't really look).

Since paraformaldehyde is a polymer of formaldehyde and a solid at that, simply dry distill(pyrolysis) to break the chain down and bubble the resulting fumes in a polar solvent until the solution is saturated.

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Re: Formaldehyde
« Reply #18 on: August 04, 2009, 01:26:15 PM »
Sedit,

Try on line camping suppliers. Theirs lots of them to choose from and 90% of them sell it.

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Re: Formaldehyde
« Reply #19 on: August 04, 2009, 02:06:45 PM »
Thank you Alchemist but if I wanted to order these chemicals online then sourcing them would not be a problem. My goal in life is to steer clear of any and all paper trails. Even though im not doing anything illegle I prefer to not allow a view into my little world what so ever. That includes buying or making all materials I want as discretely as possible.

I have found a nice big bottle of formaline used to disinfect septics for campers. Its got a blue dye in it but if one needed to purify it im sure acid catalysed dimmerization to precipitate para formaldahyde then decomposition would clean that dye right out in a jiffy.
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