Author Topic: Ecstacy testing. (Read 278 times)

Sedit · « **on:** June 12, 2011, 01:42:59 AM »

Feel free to add your own, please do since due to the horrible nature of crap being distributed as MDMA these days I feel it our duty as chemist to justify the selling of some of these pills. Piperazines should not be sold as MDMA.

First subject:

Pink heart.

Location: I wish I could tell you sorry

Reagent test: Marquis reagent made from 1ml of 35% Formaldahyde in MeOH and 20ml of 97%H2SO4. Dyes where present in the reagents but they do not appear to have affected the quality of the test performed on a variety of substrates.

Below is a picture of the pill and the color it took with the reagent test. Total weight of it is soon to follow.

Next up we will soon be testing the Purple G's up Ho's down which I suspect to be a piperizine compound.

akcom · « **Reply #1 on:** June 12, 2011, 02:18:48 AM »

I would suggest posting this data to a centralized testing database where it will be more useful

Sedit · « **Reply #2 on:** June 12, 2011, 02:30:30 AM »

I will in due time no doubt but for now I want to cross all my T's and Dot all my I's before I start posting.

I want to acquire more then the Marquis reagent to assure people what they are taking. Right now I do not know if this is MDA or MDMA and I want to make it clear exactly what this is since I feel its our job as chemist to tell these lesser folks what they are taking. It once again gives me a purpose once again in chemistry which I can almost legally perform.

Please folks dont hesitate to add.

The total weight of two pills was teatering on my .1 accuracy scale between .4 and .5 meaning it was just slightly under .4 for the two.

jon · « **Reply #3 on:** June 12, 2011, 03:50:23 AM »

i dunno why you even bother to buy pills?

the best i've seen lately is the dolche gabbana
the DG's
that's like 140-160 milligrams mdma but anyone can put a stamp on a pill.

Sedit · « **Reply #4 on:** June 12, 2011, 04:41:32 AM »

Quote from: jon on June 12, 2011, 03:50:23 AM

i dunno why you even bother to buy pills?.......

......that's like 140-160 milligrams mdma but anyone can put a stamp on a pill.

Because I like Ecstacy and this one has suppose to be tested to be a good deal of MDMA as opposed to the MDA and SHIT that has gone around for years and years and years now so when someone had them I got them since my girl has never taken MDMA before I decided to get the best around and test it to be sure it was infact MDxx as stated.

I have now come to the conclusion that it is all of our duty to test them and assure the public that what people perhaps like ourselfs are producing is infact the real deal. Don't give me any fucking shit about "sell the kids get high pills they dont care" because I will delete it quicker then you can type it from this thread. I just heard that same shit from the person these came from and I wanted to punch him right in his face when he found his other pills where fake and didn't care. "Naa... these are better then those" he said... and it took a lot to not just rob him right then and there.

Shake · « **Reply #5 on:** June 12, 2011, 07:10:24 AM »

the colour you got is strong MDXX. notice the only thing confirmed on those forums is the MD? that means even safrole or any pipers will show

the marquis is not a very good testing method.. each type has its own pros and cons, i think once you get the purple, especially that dark, it is safe to say you are on the right track. then you smell them for a sassy smell, if there is one, you can suspect that whatever that is will contribute to the colour..

first the taste test. there is no other way to describe it than completely un agreeing with your body or tastes buds. put some on your tongue and boom you start gagging like your body knows it doesnt want it lol

If the high is speedy and lovey - MDA still not a bad drug at all. Music appreciation through the roof and you have the energy to actually dance to it!

If the pill makes Huggy and indescribable exstacy feeling where music surrounds you, but less energy - MDMA.. pure versions of these do not leave a hangover in normal doses, ie terrible tuesday.. i was surprised actually, makes one wonder wtf is in street pills that screws with your body so much

Even looking at that pill, i would not be complaining, give your mrs 1 and a half then the second 1 and a half later in the night she will have the best time of her life!

Man when people would come and buy tablets from a dealer friend, i was the middle man, my buyer friend would whinge and maon about are these good are these good bla bla. basically that just pissed me off, becasue if you get duds, you get duds its simple. you have wasted alot of dough, and so has the dealer. If you want to play the game then you get what you are given and if its good then that is a plus, if not then thats the name of the game

i have never liked being at the mercy of the dealers, not knowing wtf was in the pills, not knowing how much better the real deal stuff could get. so i beat the game

from what i have learned, mdma or mda changes with the way it was made and the purity. to be honest, i believe recrystallized mdma to be less potent! direct tests between crystals and dirty mdma, the dirty stuff won! go figure

hypnos · « **Reply #6 on:** June 12, 2011, 08:37:16 AM »

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to be honest, i believe recrystallized mdma to be less potent! direct tests between crystals and dirty mdma, the dirty stuff won! go figure

To be honest, this Is something I have experieced also!!! The "dirty stuff" as you put it,, seemed to bee More Hallucinogenic, and less Lovey. It was still very nice, but certainly "not quite what I was Expecting" $:-\$

Good one matey, I must say, the same thought has crossed my mind,, "why Does it seem "better AND different? when from all accounts,,going one step further, effectively the last one with regards to obtaining 'end product' e.g xstals.....Hmmmm Why IS it SO?

As always, another Interesting, and Original pov from Shakeymon

Cheers bruzzer Shake

Hyppy

The Lone Stranger · « **Reply #7 on:** June 12, 2011, 08:47:36 AM »

I used to be part of a drug advice group giveing advice at psy-trance partys about drugs . We had to do a lot of checking with experts so that we could be sure that we we giveing good advice .......SO here are some thoughts ------- > The Marquis test is a wast of time because it only indicates groups , doesnt indicate dose and doesnt show if a substance contains more than one active ingredient . A dumb example would be a tablet that contained a small amount of MDMA and an effective dose of LSD . All the tester would see is MDMA .

Lists of pills doesnt work because a pill wih a stamp and colour must not be the same as a similar pill from another area or even from the same dealer or the same batch . We used to see pills that contained an amount and chemical mix from one source and at the same time from the same batch pills that looked the same but werent . IF the punter was lucky the one would have a dwcent dose of a drug in it and another would have less . That didnt only happen a few times or just with MDMA it often happened with LSD and speed . Also when a picture was released of a pill that was good within weeks others that looked the same were released that were crap .

Its a very good general idea Sedit but it needs to be a kit that the punters can use as who buys pills and sends them to a lab .......there was ( is ? ) one in palo alto but it cost more than a hundred $ and the results were not full results <------- that price was very many years ago . In holland there is the Jelinek institute that is a very good place to get things tested ......... if ya live in holland . In germany the bundes kriminal amt = the german FBI used(?) to do it but not for private people . Most of the german and other party helper organisations got their info from the BKA , Jelinek and a similar test organisartion in switzerland .

hypnos · « **Reply #8 on:** June 12, 2011, 12:08:41 PM »

hey Psychobuddy I agree with a number of the things you say, in particular,

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Its a very good general idea Sedit but it needs to be a kit that the punters can use as who buys pills and sends them to a lab?--

In reality,,we would like to be able to make a high grade Analysis of substance'X'....at home,,using OTC stuff

which for most of us ,we dont want "certain labs" ascertaining the 'purity' (or not!) of the substance in question! Shit,, who's got 2 weeks to wait for a reply?,, And maybe NOT the kind of reply, you wanted!!!
But,,, Yes, this is VERY important,, I mean sure its Great to get 90% pure MDxx ....HOWEVER.....Not if it STILL CONTAINED "high levels of Hg",

, or other 'leftovers',, from those in a Thoughtless rush,...or, for "whatever Reasons"
I'm not so big on "loving the poision"

In fact,,maybe it would be easier and smarter, to have Two kits, one for Active substances,, and the Second for most likely to be occurring, "Impurities"...........

that said,,there's a few other posts i'd like to reply to......So,

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I would suggest posting this data to a centralized testing database where it will be more useful

Most definitely,,like to "Pill Reports", and "Bluelight" would bee a Good helpful thing Akcom
Nice one

Next,,

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but anyone can put a stamp on a pill

.......Exactly!!!..."Clones" e.g

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We used to see pills that contained an amount and chemical mix from one source and at the same time from the same batch pills that looked the same but werent

So, when someone

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I got them since my girl has never taken MDMA before I decided to get the best around and test it to be sure it was infact MDxx as stated.

Fair enough,,sometimes it just aint handy,but a report of 'they're Good' from a trusted friend, is a reasonable rationale, for an "alternative acquisition" in times of Need

Ergo sum,,

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I do not know if this is MDA or MDMA and I want to make it clear exactly what this is since I feel its our job as chemist to tell these lesser folks what they are taking. It once again gives me a purpose once again in chemistry which I can almost legally perform.

Which IMHO is a VERY important part, and I'm glad you've found something to 'inspire you' Sedit,,,It's Always a buzz to find a New Project that makes one feel passionate about their work (Look at my sign off....)

Becoz........

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that it is all of our duty to test them and assure the public that what people, perhaps like ourselves, Are producing, is in fact, the 'real deal'.[/quote

AbsoFUCKINlutely I could Not Agree more......And.."WE CAN" if we so choose to do so

This is How we can help keep this site off the "Wrong type" of radar.....A contribution to the peoples,
Hopefully they will appreciate it,...and NO Scaremongering....like "I heard that the yellow mitsubitshis have arsenic in them... "

Only say/state what you know, and be honest about IF you Dont know...Nothing worse than Misleading data
re; The quality AND safety, of the drugs, that are currently around, the potential risks if Some compounds are ingested,,AND,, "what to DO,,if you or one of your friends becomes ill from a poorly made drug, or some unknown substance.

Cheers All Hyppy

akcom · « **Reply #9 on:** June 12, 2011, 01:30:36 PM »

In regards the recrystallization comment, I was curious what the contaminant could be that is changing the high so significantly. I ran an Al/Hg, basified, extracted with toluene and gassed. The crystals were then washed with acetone. I ran an HPLC and found a contaminant making up almost 15% of the dry weight. I haven't had time yet to run a LCMS, so I'm not sure about the identity of the contaminant, but it just goes to show you that there are significant byproducts if you're not distilling your freebase. Does anyone know what pure MDMA hcl smells like? This batch had a fairly fishy smell, I was wondering if it wasn't some methylamine that carried through the entire process.

Sedit · « **Reply #10 on:** June 12, 2011, 03:53:10 PM »

Was it totally neutralized or any possibility that there could have been some of the freebase on there Akcom. Most things that would leave a fishy smell should have been taken up when it was turned into a salt including Methylamine.

I can't wait to see the results of your analysis as it would help to make a kit testing for impuritys.

As far as the impurity effecting the potency in one direction or another I would find it possible that due to the impuritys similarity in structure that it is interfering with metabolism in one form or another by binding or blocking key enzymes.

reDEEMed · « **Reply #11 on:** June 12, 2011, 06:31:17 PM »

I used to live in a large southeastern city where I moved shit tons of X and people there religiously used these guys (Site below). I never have but I know quite a few who did. I had one guy who could lick a pill and tell you exactly what was in it. I never fucked with the pills, though. I always got molly by the qp and just sold grams. This black dude came over one day and said he would trade me 10 triple stack rolls for a gram of weed. I just handed him a gram of weed and said there man, peace. He handed me the pills and dumped them in the ashtray right there. He was like wtf man, you don't want em? I laughed and said man there aint no fuckin way that shit is X. I called the pill licker over and he licked one and sad nope, thats ppa or some shit (I forget). We pull up Xdata and sure enough, it was on there as exactly what my pill licker said it was. Hahahaa

hxxp://www.ecstasydata.org/

The Lone Stranger · « **Reply #12 on:** June 12, 2011, 10:55:59 PM »

We need to check the laws in the countrys we are in because there are laws in some countrys about what a checking lab can publish = maybe content but not cuts and maybe not synthesis by products for instance ....... a sensible check would be exactly whats in it and the weights / % of each . Who gives a fuck how much X or any nice drug is in a pill if its got nasty shitz in it to ? The only way to know is to know a good testing chemist with a good lab or the guy that made the product .

hypnos · « **Reply #13 on:** June 13, 2011, 08:09:34 AM »

Ackom,,IIRC this topic is right up your alley,,,so it would be MUCH appreciated,, Any and All data you could come up with regarding "potential pollutants"
Then we all can start looking for methods to easily a) Identify they are there, and (hopefully!) "what" and its % ,, as well as maybe coming across Smart ways to "neutralise" said crap,,or "compensate" for unwanted 'side effects'

Cheers bruzz

Hyppy

jon · « **Reply #14 on:** June 15, 2011, 05:30:52 AM »

you can crush a pill and smell it mdma always has an odor
the methboombs have a floral odor from phenylacetic acid.
what i was asking why you bothered with pills when you can just make it yourself?

The Lone Stranger · « **Reply #15 on:** June 15, 2011, 08:44:17 AM »

To me speed often smells like pig piss / sulpher . <---------- no joke on THE pigs or their satanic practices ........ like real pig piss .

hypnos · « **Reply #16 on:** June 15, 2011, 10:31:15 AM »

Oh the olfactory senses, so precise and absolute, in some people, yet not so much in others

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what i was asking why you bothered with pills when you can just make it yourself?

Coz, I for one,currently,, dont have "the Complete Opportunity to DO so" ..I have NO Doubt, "things Would Bee different", IF ,,"Things Were, a Little Bit Different", and alas patience is required for safetys sake,amongst other hinderences
That saidthere is one little fact which is,-- I wish

,(but I do not, at this stage, have) your Experience,and, in "Every aspect",, of "Clandestine/ghetto Brilliance" your Level of smarts

I came to this Forum via one of Your, Jons, VERY crafty "finds/creations", that, "we we, of the OTC world" have much to thank you for

,,may your esoteric idiosyncracys, continue to fill this forum with posts from me old mate Jonmon

I hope so, pm ya soon

Your mate Hyppy

jon · « **Reply #17 on:** June 15, 2011, 08:34:30 PM »

well i kept getting these methbombs one time and it had loads of ecstacy in them but the only problem with that is you can't tell your on meth because of the intense ecstacy roll.
then you take to much and the meth lands you in the hospital clutching your chest.
so i found out how to tell the difference just crush them and give them a whiff.
speed has a very distinct odor.
never got duped by a methbomb after that.
one of the reasons i started making my own stuff.

Sedit · « **Reply #18 on:** June 16, 2011, 03:06:13 AM »

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speed has a very distinct odor.

No, it does not..... for the most part.

Street speed has a distinct odor. That smell is related to the process used to make it and poor workup. Where as the majority of speed is make using Phenyl-2-Propanal some is made using Ephedrine. Also there are so many routes to Phenyl-2-propanal that odds are the smell you see is a local thing and does not apply around the world.

jon · « **Reply #19 on:** June 16, 2011, 06:01:01 AM »

anyone mass producing drugs aren't going to recrystallize it 2 times so you will get some artifact in there usually some leftover phenylacetic acid.
that's where the floral odor comes in.

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