Oils crystallize all the time no need for it to be in salt form. I have hard set crystallized Safrole sitting around due to ages of storage.

They are much harder to crystallize due to the nature of oils themselves and the viscosity of the liquid. What you have may or may not be THC crystals.

Safrole is also an oil, so is DMT..... so is many many of the crystals people know and love yet there they are sitting in front of you crystallized. Thermodynamics need be gotten into here?

"Safrole is also an oil, so is DMT"

Wots that gotta do with THC ?.

"Thermodynamics need be gotten into here?"

Why ?

"I've seen crystal THC - although it was very cold."

When ? Where ? References / proof please ?

"thc in it's purest form is a crystal at room temperature" -http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/9553742#9553742

This idea/topic has been killed already...
It can happen, and does.


Also, see http://www.entheogen.com/forum/archive/index.php?t-10843.html
For alcohol "freeze distilling" the idea can be applied.
Hmm. Edit again,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freeze_distillation

Also, remotely related:
Crystallization of Fats and Oils - Serpil Metin and Richard W. Hartel -
http://uqu.edu.sa/files2/tiny_mce/plugins/filemanager/files/4281709/84607_02.pdf

The burden of proof is on you, show us that you cannot crystallise THC, use studies, references, and other appropriate non-oppinion based information and data....

"You seem to be under the assumption that oils can not crystallize"

Nope . I am only talking about THC .Did i talk about or claim anywhere that other oils  wont crystalise ?

Thanks for the thermodynamics info . But i dont see what that has to do with anything i have said . Please stick to THC and i would be glad if you could show me any proof that THC can be crystalised . Also IF it can that the things that apear to be crystals in the oil are THC crystals . Then an explenation of how those particular crystals formed and why they dont form comonly in THC containing oils . Not an explenation of how crystals form . Just those if they are THC in this case . To do that for sure one would have to know exactly what they are .

dream0n . I only see opinions there ? No studys or the sort of confirmation that is usualy asked of people here when they make claims . The wiki doesnt say anything about crystals either . It talkes about a solid and that doesnt have to mean crystal . All solids are not crystals . It also says when its cold . How cold is cold and what was the temperature of the oil in the picture .

I dont give  a fuck either way and if and when someone can come up with any facts i would be pleased even if what i have learned is false .

So opinions here opinions there this is a science forum so lets see some facts and proofs please . Otherwise neither point of view has anymore merit than the other = there is no point , at least for me  , in carrying on beyond this point with this part of the thread / discussion .

In a discusion first observations are made and commented on . Then people say what their thoughts are / what they have learned . Then facts are offered in the form of studys / reports . We are at that stage . Neither opinion has offered any relevant facts yet . 

I dont mind either way . I have only said what i have learned and been told .  If it can be crystalised allah-luja i will be pleased i will have learned something . Untill it is i will stick to what i have learned .

If it can be crystalised where are the proofs , fotos , reports . Proveing that it can be crysatlised if it can should be much easyer than proveing it cant . So please show the evidence . If its true the it should be much easyer to find evidence and fotos in the net . Especialy as the "crystals" talked about here are "2.5cm, flat, knife-blade-like crystals." and seem to have formed spontainiously / without deliberately being made .


"They ( oils ) are much harder to crystallize due to the nature of oils themselves and the viscosity of the liquid. What you have may or may not be THC crystals."

Exactly and thats why i asked my original questions that still havent been answered in the third post in this thread . The answers to those questions could lead us further and to understand exactly what those "crystals" are and how they were formed . .

Cannabinol is not THC .It would be helpfull if you would post the method used for makeing those crystals so that we can see if it could be possible that they are cannabinol crystals .  Again because of the spontaniousness and because of the quote from adams wich sugests , at least to me ,  difficulty i would doubt it .

To psychology . Some people seem to me to be takeing this discusion to seriously and personaly and themselves as well  . I dont  . I gave an opinion and as i said if its wrong i dont mind and will admit that what i have learned is wrong .  Science is ( should be ) non personal , neutral , critical and objective . So can we please stick to science and not carry bad feelings from one thread to another because thats the way witch hunts start . Its also something that ruins web sites .

I look forwards to that .  Theres definately a mystery and i`d be very pleased to know the solution . What those objects are .

Not being a chemist ...... maybe you could expand that a bit by useing ice cold and hot sovents ? Also what about vinegar and alcohol ? Did that oil come out of a fridge just before the foto was taken ? How was it stored ? Is the colour the same as when it was made ? Or could it come from oxidation ?

Thanks Lugh .

I had a look but cant find the references .

On page 12 it says that cannabidiol can spontainiously crystalise .

On page 13 it says that cannabinol can crystalise  .

From my chemistry moron eyes the procedure would rule out that the crystals in the foto are cannabinol or cannabidiol as both have to be isolated and purifyed to crystalise ? Also with cannabinol one has to zap it with ammonia and they were useing alcohol as a solvent . As n.snostorm didnt use alcohol , or extract and purify those chemicals and didnt use ammonia . pyridine or sulphuric acid..... and because of the shape of the crystals ...... i would take an uneducated guess that the crystals are neither .

As the paper and Lough and Jon and .....ME ...... say that THC cant be crystalised i think that it can also be ruled out .

I , myself , personaly , alone and on my own am wondering if the crystals could be from fertiliser ? Whatever they are theres a shit load of the fuckers in there = the oil must have been saturated(?) with them or they wouldnt have spontaniously crystalised .

As usual the hunting season is open so please feel free to keep shooting at me............

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Also, THC degrades into CBD, so even if that was a pure THC sample when you first stored it...