Hey you, trying to make a clown out of me, prohibiting to post into this thread from my clones? You are a clown instead, and everybody will understang that from this post.
To everyone: From today/yesturday I am a banned person here, so don't think everything is ok if i am able to post. They(mods) banned me for life, now are trying to make alien out of me, resuscitated me, when they probably seen my following post they decided to make a comedy and re-banned me for a while, to make some fun for others. While i was banned and could not post, i tried to post the following message from other account, there was some "error" i guess not from a technical origin. Now a re-ban and see if i take my words back? No way! The only my fault now is that i did not continue attempts to write from other names, and use this one, but thats not my fail, i merely want to finish with this post today and not waste my time tomorrow. On the other hand, thank you for giving me such opportunity to write my last post from my original account! I even started thinking you are not such coward for a while, but...but...many buts .
So following message was original that i was going to post:
Re: Harsh Modding? Cast your vote!
Not kidding? OK, lets start with me
First, a message for mods(calm down one of you, your trousers will serve you more if you crap less inside, and just listen) : This is my last post ever on this forum, i will never again "spam" or "clutter" here, as you call it, or bother you with my presence. Just wanna have last opportunity to say a word, because you opened this thread to listen to others, just last word, and i think i deserve it since i had 160+ messages here, no penalties and complains from other members(even some thanks), bothered myself with writing a vast number of theoretical explanations, diagrams, mechanisms(other members can find them by my name zzhuchila-clocker or zzhuchila_clocker ) for people, which you thought were useless but still did not have guts to call them "spam" according to rules(stupid people and junks WILL call that spam, and i understand that perfectly, but i hope, i did not write all that for junks and clockers!), and banned me for nothing.
Also i think i deserve a last post, because i was wasting my time writing a post today unless i received a ban message instead of "post submitted". That is low of you, i know you were not aware i was writing, or more likely, you don't care.
So mods, what i kindly request is, gather guts not to delete this message, since there is not sufficient rules violation(you can ban me though he he for being bit rude), and because it does not "clutter search engine results", as you call it. If you still hesitate, i forgot to tell you that i'm not zz-zhuchila clocker, but his SWIM or his uncle.
Actually, what did happen:
Today, after about 2,5 years i've been on the forum, with no rules violation before, no complains from members ever(just few thank you's) and any notifications from mods, today i recieved following message:
"Sorry zzhuchila_clocker, you are banned from using this forum!
Banned for being a Bardo sock puppet
This ban is not set to expire"
Proof :
http://imageshack.us/f/9/modsg.jpg/I believe, what did happen: Enkidu had seen my today's post here
http://127.0.0.1/talk/index.php/topic,2444.msg25660.html#msg25660 , and thought " how good it was without him!" , because i really post here quite seldom, guess why. Then he thought that "he is not contributing". Then he thought "forum is cluttered because of those like zhuchila, thats why search is working not properly", and that my message is "absolutely useless, because there are only proposals and he did not provide all the references". In fact, Enkidu always asks for references even for simpliest things and even proposals (some that don't even require refs that are based only on theory) that indicates poor knowledge of the latter. It was him who said that debenzylation(either oxygen or nitrogen i don't remember) can be done with sodium borohydride, which he called "a common reagent for debenzylation". There could be other epic fails of him, but for now i remember only this and something about shiff base reactivity, where he thought that making an imine kills amine's nucleophility and protects it from methylation with MeI. Anyway, what i am talking about now? The most interesting thing is, do you know why he thought so? He he, because of a reference! He read some book about imine chemistry and there were, o my god, no examples about N-alkylation of imines, and he seemingly thought such reaction does not exist. Thats why he asked a reference after i said that imines are not inert towards alkylhalide alkylators(which he thought was the case). Thats why he demanded a reference when I was saying something about nitrogen electron pair, electronic effects, that imines are bases that can be protonated, but he couldn't believe me without a reference! And probably, can't believe now, because the reference i provided was for some of aliphatic or aromatic imines, and he had the opposites in his example. That is fuckin' ridiculous. I would not explain for clockers and junks, but for chemists i think everything is clear here. I would say, it isn't a chemistry forum attitude. In the last times i guess his problem has grew more, and that was the reason of this thread opening. You can see that easily if you read his posts. For example, read this thread:
http://127.0.0.1/talk/index.php?action=profile;u=81And see the argumentation between akcom and Enkidu, followed by my "cluttering" post. From that is clear, that Enkidu was one who banned me, without taking time to learn the rules of the forum and giving me any bad karma or penalties/notifications ever. Banned for life, not for a week or two, while there is such an option AFAIK(if i was banned before for a week or two but couldn't see it because i find this forum unworthy of everyday visiting, then make some PM notification for this kind of ban for such cases in future).
Also, i think you Vesp are also capable of the things happening and you were aware that i will be sooner or later pissed off. Once i've seen a message from you in an invitation thread something like " if they don't contribute, we simply ignore them". Guess why i remembered that your sentence, if you can't i will write about it bit later. Now, Vesp, i understand what did you mean by "ignore". What you or the one you turned loose on me had done today for a "non-contributing" wasp, _IS_ true _IGNORANCE_.
Now, few words about "contributing", "cluttering" and so on. You guys seem to forget to take your meds. Why are you at all sure that these two things exist and form the climate on the forum in the way you imagine it? I know, there are many forums about drugs with idle talk of junks and nothing about chemistry, and you want something different here, good. But that depends mostly on people, of course on rules also, but neither rules will help you to make a good drug chemistry forum, if there are no people interested in chemistry. If you want only to restrict and prohibit, do it at acceptable levels. Your war on "cluttering" and "contrubution" is a deviation and seems like schizophrenia, you will not make forum better by that. Stop doing that immediately. For good chemical forum you need to find people. How can you find people? Make _good_ conditions for them and they will come. I was writing over SM once but left that place, because i thought Nicodem was too suppressive and came here. At the first sight it seemed a neat place, but within time i became to realize, that attitude of some people, including mods does not form a good climate here. I would explain: my theory-oriented and theory-based posts found misunderstanding by a many people here, they ignored theory as if it was a junkie forum with only exception that junks don't use the word "refference" and "patent" so frequently. People operating with papers and patents with no knowledge of theory look ok, unless they start bravado and neglect theory and the people who post based on theory. This is what i faced here within time, and when situation was not going to change, moreover this attitude found only acceptance and endorsement in moderator community, it did not take make much effort for me to become not regular here(this place became not interesting). Still, i visited it occasionally to see weather something improved or not, but mostly i faced same here: old topics with no responses, boring and not interesting topics with names containing words "fentanyl", "heroin" and other street drugs, topics which discuss "how to make a synthesis of some substance more kitchen-friendly for a kitchen chemist who is not interested in chemistry and not willing to learn theory, just waiting for the others to feed him with references and patents that he'll jerk off on, keeping the result being sabotage". That is not a chemical approach. That is the reason why i added word "clocker" to my name, to feel hovering somewhere at your level, not kidding here.
Now it is my time to leave this place finally, in accordance to the zero-dropped level of the forum and moderators behavior. Ban just coincides with that, because i am not going to register again(most banned people, if they liked the place, re-register). So don't make me and others feel that this forum is a great place and that zhuchila-clocker is a pariah or "Bardo sock puppet" as you called it, everyone who has eyes will see that this forum has problems, that you mods are struggling to resolve now (by opening threads like this), but doing it from the wrong side (by banning people like me).
Vesp, i found your exact message:
but if they don't show respect or contribute we generally just get rid of them or ignore them
Get rid.. Considering a bee like a waste material, that you can get rid off after it stopped "contributing"- does not make a favor to you and this forum a good reputation. Bee or wasp is not a slave that must day and night contribute you something, and you are not a drone. No one is obliged to contribute for not being banned. This your philisophy about "theorize- search-request-experiment-contribute", which you depicted as a cycle if i'm not mistaken, seems too obvious and doubtful(in the way you understand it) for me. It can be good to stimulate junks with rabbit brains, that otherwise will only talk about nothing. Now you banned me for nothing, "not contributing", huh.. If i knew there is a rule like that, about obligatory contribution, i would never registered on such forum and thus neither complained, but i believe there is no such rule. Yes, there is something about "contribute" in rules but not clear about ban. And i think that was personal antipathy of Enkidu, that resulted in a ban, because today i contributed (provided a refference for solid oxide base catalyzed o-nitrotoluene condensation with carbonyl compounds, that can _really_ make ketamine synthesis more kitchen-friendly if it works with cyclopentanone). Enkidu banned me instead(maybe i did not provide references for simplest reactions or whatever) , while he could do it before, when i was long not even posting here, and, so to say, "contributing".
My last advice to you is - if you want to keep this forum at a high chemistry level, then you should allow for different people to come here, not only "contributors". For any, who is or was interested in the chemistry of drugs. Not all of them have possibility to "contribute", many can't physically do any experiments due to no conditions for that and they post only theory. People are the clue of the forum, not rules. You will never make a good chemistry forum with severe rules and no people _interested_ in chemistry of drugs. Your rules are shit, my example proves it. I was not banned for years writing the same things, and now suddenly got banned. Severe rules without bad karma or its analogue is a nonsense. I did not have any complains or notifications. Now you resuscitate me for nothing, that is also ridiculous, not according to any rules. I was recalling in memory that your "we simply get rid or ignore them" for long, i did not recall it only today. Thats because i always wonderen about meaning of that sentence, and now finally understood whan you meant.
Now Enkidu. Stop your "cluttering" paranoia. I've heared this word from you long ago, and since that time you became bothered about that. The way how you think "cluttering" is responsible for the dropping level of this forum and problems with search exists only in your imagination. On a serious chemical forum, not a cook forum, you will never make an easy search engine to find the most informative and practice related posts rather than less informative. If you don't understand that, that is dumb of you.. If you are working for clockers, in order to make search easier for them, putting all theory based topics into vacous section, that is another question that i am not going to discuss. Also i am not going to discuss your refference- paranoia, everything was said above. Just first cure the clutters in your had, maybe after that you won't see so many here on the forum. Simple gestalt-therapy by zhuchila.
For all. I think many of you thought i am a strange member here, writing only theoretical posts, speaking in a weird manner, maybe a nerd or whatever. I am happy if you managed to read till here, that i can tell you that i merely have a beginner level of english and live not in an english speaking country like most of you. Thats why it could seem sometimes i am retarded, but in fact i am not. Both moderators knew i am not english speaker, but did not tell me in PM "hey man, stop, your posts are unreadable" even a single time. Preferred to ban. That is exact attitude what moderators have towards any member here - use them as contributors, and then without any notification piss off. If moderators will try to make a show out of that, saying that i am crazy and the ban was due to some mistake on the forum, that will be only further spoiling their reputation. Please don't believe them in this case, this is a part of their same fault play. Besides above i had explained why it was Enkidu who banned me.
btw: if that was Sedit rebanning me after a PM, i want to say thank you. You are the mod i have no complains to, and never had. As i could see from your posts recently, your level of organic chemistry is better then ever, that means you gain knowledge, not only reading a cook-book references and patents, and your attitude shows you are a chemist rather then cook.
I will not come here any more, so you may not respond me, only to see if this post was deleted or text changed. I'll make a screen shot of the whole post, so better not try to delete it or write anything from my name, if you don't want your reputation further to spoil.
With that being said, i don't know what else to add.. Long live the vespiary, but i think that is impossible if moderator content won't change or won't change their attitude. I won't say "faster die the vespiary" either.
Better to say,
Arrivederci, clockaz!
(though not all, sorry to those who are not)
Best regards,
Zzhuchila-contributor
Zhuchila-clutter
Zzhuchila-clocker
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