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get ready for martial law
« on: December 09, 2011, 08:08:39 AM »
have a look at the national defense authorization act

http://blog.nj.com/dr_aref_assaf/2011/12/a_national_defense_act_or_how_to_undermine_the_us_constitution.html

some of the wording of it reads paraphrasing: that if you don't agree with the government you're a terrorist.

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« Reply #1 on: December 09, 2011, 08:45:38 AM »
Don't worry, that section won't pass.
It would interfere with the already existing laws that make it even easier to control citizens.

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Re: get ready for martial law
« Reply #2 on: December 09, 2011, 09:33:36 AM »
Who cares? If you decide to play with the big boys, you decide to be bound by their rules. Real war is coming and the protection of the red cross/crescent and the Geneva Conventions will become as illusory as it has been demonstrated to be in the past. Can anyone tell me how many villagers there were in any of the hundreds (and thousands) of villages subjected to preparatory artillery bombardment by the armies involved in the First or Second World Wars? NOPE? Gee, I wonder why...
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« Reply #3 on: December 09, 2011, 09:51:55 AM »
damn that's a lot colder than i thought

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Anyone who donates money to a charity that turns up on Bush’s list of “terrorist” organizations, or who speaks out against the government’s policies could be declared an “unlawful enemy combatant” and imprisoned indefinitely. That includes American citizens.
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« Reply #4 on: December 09, 2011, 12:00:38 PM »
Had one here in 2006 that was doing that... A webpage called XXXXXX with a list of the good works performed by Hezb'allah in the "Capital" of Hezb'allah,XXXXXXX. The owner of the website also had a list of people from Bint Jbeil who were residing in Australia as well as a list of the money raised by their Charity and the amounts given to support the good works by none other than Hezb'allah.

Did screen captures on every fucking page and sent it to the National Security Hotline. Also sent them to the Israeli Consulate in Australia (interestingly the head of the muslim council was listed as being from there (removed place/proper names)).

You have a point Jon? That prick is, supposedly, an Australian citizen. He is also, based upon his own statements, responsible for raising money for projects that Hezb'allah claim to have carried out, in a town from which hundreds of rockets were fired at Israel. His cohorts state that all Australian soldiers deserve to be killed in Afghanistan. Not only would I not weep if he were arrested, tortured and killed, I'd happily do the job.

Don't mix up normal criminals and what are supposedly sharia loving scum, one group is an essential and normal part of the environment, the other group should be dragged out and shot. It is rather easy to differentiate between them, only one group wears towels on their head.

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« Reply #5 on: December 09, 2011, 01:45:55 PM »
yeah i got nothing against whacking towel heads.
what i got a problem with is the precedent this kind of shit sets.
if you know anything about governements, they won't stop at the towel heads if you read what i wrote it says basically anyone who disagrees with the government.
maybe they want to rein in occupy wall street with military force.
i'm sure Barack does'nt cotton to them because he is the wall street incumbent and all.
when you think about it mao zedong and hitler practised this kind of policy although they did'nt codify it.
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« Reply #6 on: December 09, 2011, 02:04:20 PM »
Ask yourself WHY criminals are an integral part of the fabric of our society. That is why I am not too concerned, even the third reich couldn't remove the same from Germany.
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« Reply #7 on: December 09, 2011, 05:37:06 PM »
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Don't mix up normal criminals and what are supposedly sharia loving scum, one group is an essential and normal part of the environment, the other group should be dragged out and shot. It is rather easy to differentiate between them, only one group wears towels on their head

Gee it would be nice if it were THAT easy, to suss out the "bad guys", Sadly, IME they usually wear suits. ::)

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Ask yourself WHY criminals are an integral part of the fabric of our society

Because we live in societies with arbitrary laws, and so "a few, make the laws for the many", and now we see "laws" OVERIDING laws, amending constitutional rights etc etc, in the name of "National Security". Aside from violent crimes, and acts of selfish stupidity, criminals exist becoz they do not agree with the "powers that be"

"Criminals" are those who dont obey ALL the "law/s" of where they are, Not surprisingly, not everyone agrees upon what should be law!  I have NO doubt many if not most members here, have 'broken' the law. IMO. SO FUCKIN WHAT?

As for taking "drugs", well when Big Pharma tell me not to, I will, OK?

Not that long ago, those who practiced, or even considered chemistry were revered, albeit sometimes with confusion.

We are constantly besieged by so called "upstanding, LAW ABIDING citizens" like family court judges who beat their daughters :o
 
And "highly respected financiers" like Bernie Madoff, who kept a ponzi scheme of about $70,000,000,000 running for 30 YEARS!!! to name but a few!

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maybe they want to rein in occupy wall street with military force.
 

Well these cunts can afford to, and OWS has already had profound repercussions in a short time, with more to come as peoples awareness is raised.

I mean C'mon, really, do you think ANYONE who is involved in this shit (power/money/corruption/control) wants it to stop?

And as for the "arabs" sadly, a group of dudes who lived in a TOTALLY feudal system less than 90 years ago,Not the sharpest knives in the drawer, back then, and are now some of the wealthiest and most manipulated fools on the planet.Control the "energy supplies" and control the masses.
Look what happened to a smart guy like Nikola Tesla, when he wanted to "give" power to the world! >:(
 Alas most of the "leaders" are semi illiterate, believing the bullshit various "advisors", provided by their so called, "allies" whose only interest is making as much money as possible.

 The story of the Sa'ud family (the dudes with the most camels in Persia back in the 1920's and the "deals" done for them, is extraordinary, (and if you were a banker, they were "Wonderful&fantastic") After all it was pretty easy to convince a dude who could hardly count, and used the "camel standard" as currency, to agree to a deal which would see them rich, and regulated.

To think the Rothschilds and Rockefellers were going to let them ACTUALLY control the "money" they made from the oil they sat on, is one of the BEST bullshit stories told and sold, the Sa'udis are currently in so much debt, they are totally beholden to their "bankers" (no surprise here!)
 These folks together with a few other (mainly British) influences, had the whole game sown up in the 1920's, before one barrel of oil was extracted

Problem 1; War IS Profitable. Dont believe me? Check your history. GM diesel engines powered German Panzer tanks, until sales stopped AFTER Pearl Harbour...

C'mon folks, do you REALLY think, NATO and friends AREN'T above manipulating WORLD markets?  CIA aka as "Capitalisms Invisible Army" a name given to it by R Buckminster Fuller, whom 'fullerenes' are named after...his story is worth a read. imo.

There was a great movie, based on a true,researchable story, called, IIRC "Charlie Parkers War" about a CIA analyst in Afghanistan just after the russians left, and how he TRIED to HELP, the Afghanis LONG before US troops went there, and how he was thwarted EVERY step of the way

 WHEN the shit hits the fan, many people will suddenly remember, they have NO IDEA how to even find water, let alone survive.

Its going to be MIGHTY interesting, I doubt its going to be "us against them", more like "us against us",

BTW does anyone know about the alledged explosions in the Deep Underground Military Bases, I think in Virginia, a few months ago? Caused a 5.5 quake, in an area that's apparently never had one before?
I know for a FACT we have some BIG mothers of underground bases here in the middle of the outback, in the middle of NOWHERE! And I'm not talking Pine Gap tracking stations and the like

 
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The Bush/Obama regimes have evaded the Geneva Conventions by declaring that detainees are not POWs, but “enemy combatants,” “terrorists,” or some other designation that removes all accountability from the US government for their treatmen

I always thought an "enemy combatant, once captured, WAS a POW, and NO LONGER a threat . . . . .I mean WTF
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Detainees treated according to the laws of war have the protections of the Geneva Conventions. They cannot be tortured. The Obama regime opposes military detention, because detainees would have some rights. These rights would interfere with the regime’s ability to send detainees to CIA torture prisons overseas. [Yes, Obama is still apparently allowing "extraordinary renditions" to torture people abroad.] This is what the Obama regime means when it says that the requirement of military detention denies the regime “flexibility.”

The Bush/Obama regimes have evaded the Geneva Conventions by declaring that detainees are not POWs, but “enemy combatants,” “terrorists,” or some other designation that removes all accountability from the US government for their treatment.

By requiring military detention of the captured, Congress is undoing all the maneuvering that two regimes have accomplished in removing POW status from detainees.

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« Reply #8 on: December 09, 2011, 05:50:35 PM »
One would like to beleive, that our Constitution and system of Justice would most likely not allow such a proposed law to remain in effect. The provision would most likely be declared unconstitutional, even with the current conservative Supreme Court. Sadly, we can look back in our history and see examples of legislation and executive orders that infringe upon and take away the treasured constitutional and human rights of U.S. citizens and others. The Japanese Internment Camps during WWII are perhaps the most recent and shameful.

As we all know, our system of government is divided among the Executive, Legislative and Judicial. It is far from perfect, but it works (don't ask for a specific definition of works, please ; ). I am cautiously confident that any attempt to implement and carry out any laws similar to those referred to in the article would be vigorously challenged and most likely declared unconstitutional.
The immediate concern would be the interim b/w the order and it getting to (potentially) getting to the supreme court.
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« Reply #9 on: December 09, 2011, 10:30:49 PM »
Then ask yourselves why it is that we are returning to these types of laws. What is happening in the wider world that makes these kinds of laws acceptable to the bulk of society yet again. Instead of simply getting agitated and wailing about it, look at what is happening, look at what is putting the most incredibly tyrannical lawmakers in power, yet again.


Look at Pakistan, right at the moment. We are being asked to believe that, despite a long history of cross-border artillery fire (from the Pakistani Military) and cross-border safe havens for 'insurgents', that the Pakistani military was an innocent bystander to a firefight involving the Afghan and US Armies. That their failure to provide timely information as to the whereabouts of their forces was inadvertent (not deliberate) and that their troops were MISTAKEN for the bad guys that were firing on the ISAF troops. I call bullshit, someone on the ground had the wit to call in CAS who tagged the Pakistani troops, making it kind of hard to deny they were in the area. Pakistan has a long history of such behaviour, the most blatant example would be the Kargil War in which they invaded India and engaged in open warfare for weeks, awarding combat medals to troops whilst denying that they even existed.

People still wonder why we are suddenly pro-India? Why the US Military is engaging in high level discussions with the Indian Government? Why they are involved in a massive round of 'firsts' - the first exercises between US troops and Indian troops, the first exercises between US and Indian Combat Aircraft, the first US-Indian Naval Exercises, etc.? Why the French Government is trying to sell the Indian Government latest generation Combat Aircraft, by touting the Nuclear Delivery Capability of the same, quite openly? Why is the US Government moving to shore up support in the Indian Ocean, courting Indonesia, Malaysia, India, Sri Lanka, Singapore? Why is the UK doing the same? For that matter, why is the Pakistani Military Junta making all the decisions, like shifting air defence weapons to the Afghan Border, like shifting/dispersing their Nuclear Weapons, like ramping up the hysteria? Where is the President of Pakistan, who is reportedly ill, or not in the Country, or combinations of the same (this in a Nuclear State with a long history of Military Coups)?

Now, have another good hard look at the situation in our own Countries. How many Pakistani's have moved to our Countries? We are all but at war with Pakistan, what is expected? Based upon what happened in Mumbai, New Delhi, etc. I'd strongly suspect there are quite a few people being watched and that there is legitimate reason for concern. That said, even in WWII there was a distinct difference between the treatment of foreign nationals and citizens in this Country, although there were some extremely interesting Court Cases (Pidoto stands out).

As for Military Bases, there are some I'll admit, the bulk are badly deteriorated and run down, but they do 'exist'. The improvements and capacity extensions at the major bases in Northern Australia is a marked change. I'd be very surprised if the majority of Australians have noticed that the size of our full-time army has increased dramatically over the last decade (still woefully small, but a marked improvement all the same). The changes in the ADF since then have been fairly significant, they had to be, the capacity of the ADF to operate in Timor was piss-poor. Then again the numbers awarded various service medals demonstrate some rather startling statistics, there have been over 250K Australian Defence Medals awarded (last time I looked) which means that there is a quarter of a million Australians with at least 4 years service. There have been 60K awards of the Australian Active Service Medal for conflicts since 1975, which effectively means since 1991 (with the majority being for the last 10 years). So there about a quarter of the people with the ADM have seen Active Service and several times the number in the Regular Army at the present (or any) time. That is >1% of our population, with immediate families and extended families, that is going to be approaching 10% with a reason to feel contempt for a single group of people. Then you have all those people with a family history in the ADF and all of a sudden you start to see why war and conflict start to bring about political change. Add to that the shattering of the left-wing vote by 'Green' politics (not enough to change outcomes directly, just enough to weaken the ones who could & looking at history, the ones who have).

But the changes within our Society are even more interesting, after Cronulla the 'gangs' from Western Sydney ran rampant and apparently (according to the NSW Premier) 'declared war' on Australia. I noticed (and may have participated) in making it known what was likely to happen if they didn't pull their heads in sharpish. It is really fucking simple, most of the families involved decamped from Palestine immediately after Dier Yassin, going to Lebanon. They then upped sticks from Lebanon after Sabra & Shattila. In both cases they had been heavily involved in the skirmishes that led to these events, in effect causing them to occur. So it isn't real fucking difficult to work out how to induce them to leave our fair shores with the minimal amount of fuss (albeit with some sincere nastiness) was it? Amusing how quickly heads were pulled in after those warnings were put out... Then again, it is well established how easily as few as one hundred people with a plan can get that group to fuck off and find greener pastures.

That said, I have grave misgivings about the pricks who are likely to end up in power as a result. I've similarly got little to no time for profiteers and other lowlives. But war is rapidly becoming inevitable and at a scale not seen for half a century (if not considerably higher). But facts are facts and have to be faced, it is not much more than a larger repeat of the shitfight that followed Cronulla, to the Muslim world we are unwilling to fight, unwilling to stand up for our own and as such easy targets (the same as happens in schoolyards). While I have good reason to be nervous of martial law, appeasement does not work in the face of aggression.

The apologists for these scum, I have no time for, they have no interest in doing anything for their 'adopted' Country, except to bleed it dry and turn it into the same middle-eastern shithole they were too scared to live in. What they want, they can get, just push hard enough, insh'allah. Nor do I have any interest in living under Sharia law (which there was yet another attempt to introduce in this Country recently). Gutless pricks allowed these scum into our Country and they are breeding far more rapidly than us, so at some point war is the only alternative to the imposition of sharia law. I'm a LONG way from alone when I say that will happen over my twitching lifeless body. What we have here is a fault line like existed in the 70's, when a largish part of the Community split along the lines "Better Dead than Red"/"Better Red than Dead".

I personally believe that the ongoing crimes against humanity, decency and basic rights (the right to education, the right to information, the right to choose whether or not to believe in god and how) perpetrated in the name of Islam on a daily basis, the imposition of unjust and outrageous penalties for minor infractions of religious law, etc. mean that no thinking person could possibly regard with anything but horror the concept of it being imposed on citizens of this Country. I long ago made an oath to defend this Country, that doesn't mean I believe everything done by the executive or other branches of government is right or even defensible, my oath is to defend the Crown in right of Australia (unless and until the Crown is replaced by a republic anyway). Speaking of the intolerance of our laws at present, makes me wonder if you truly comprehend the terror imposed by the alternatives.

You speak of Geneva/Hague Conventions, yet our enemies make no attempt to comply with them in their application to properly uniformed and identifiable combatants, they also make no attempt to protect their own civilians from the consequences of their own actions and the properly directed, lawful and measured responses of their opponents. When Hamas/Hezb'allah/Taliban/etc. are supposedly entitled to recognition as 'armies' (as would be required if their 'soldiers' are to be treated as legitimate combatants under Hague/Geneva Conventions), why aren't they subject to the same requirements? I have long regarded this dichotomy with distaste, it feels very antiquated and a hangover from Empire, if they are equal then they are equal, there is no "white man's burden" to shoulder. Our enemies, both internal and external, should be treated strictly in accordance with the rules and regulations of the Rules of Land Warfare, the various Conventions, etc. with the impartial application of both the benefits and obligations thereunder (I suggest you take a good hard look at history and see precisely what is allowed by the same, for example Hiroshima & Nagasaki are defensible, as are the firebombing of Tokyo, Dresden, Hamburg, Nuremburg and Cologne).

While one side is 'entitled' (according to the media and gutless wankers) to carry out war crimes, while the other side is hampered by restrictive rules of engagement, certain results are inevitable. One such result, is that the societies on one side of the equation have to enact restrictions upon what is permissable in order to safeguard themselves and their citizens. This means that the citizens accept the need for the same, unfortunately, means that life in those nations becomes more and more restricted as the government is given license to control more and more of every day life. Where the two sides mentioned above differ is in their view as to how to prevent/stop this. One side is quite prepared to shoulder the task of removing the cause of the problem, in the knowledge that while their society is not perfect it is worth fighting to protect. The other, from a disinclination to accept that conflict is part of the human condition and some nagging doubt about the worthiness of their own society (strangely without regard for the palatability of the alternative), maintains that anything is better than fighting, even abject surrender. Boiled down to its essence, the two sides to this argument differ in their willingness/unwillingness to either conflict/surrender.

PS just a quick point a non-uniformed, irregular enemy combatant taken into custody has no rights whatsoever under the Hague & Geneva Conventions, the Rules of Land Warfare or any other law. They are subject to imprisonment and execution and are outside the law of the Country in which they are caught. It is called Treason mate.

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« Reply #10 on: December 10, 2011, 02:30:12 AM »
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According to Department of Defense training manuals, protest is considered “low-level terrorism”. And see this, this and this.An FBI memo also labels peace protesters as “terrorists”.Indeed, police have been terrorizing children, little old ladies and other “dangerous” people who attempted to protest peacefully.
 
And a 2003 FBI memo describes protesters’ use of videotaping as an “intimidation” technique, even though – as the ACLU points out – “Most mainstream demonstrators often use videotape during protests to document law enforcement activity and, more importantly, deter police from acting outside the law.” The FBI appears to be objecting to the use of cameras to document unlawful behavior
by law enforcement itself.
 
The Internet has been labeled as a breeding ground for terrorists, with anyone who questions the government’s versions of history being especially equated with terrorists.
 
The government is also using anti-terrorism laws to keep people from learning what pollutants are in their own community. See this, this, this and this.
 
Claims of “national security” are also used to keep basic financial information – such as who got bailout money – secret. That might not bode for particularly warm and friendly treatment for someone persistently demanding the release of such information.
 
The state of Missouri tried to label as terrorists current Congressman Ron Paul and his supporters, former Congressman Bob Barr, libertarians in general, anyone who
holds gold, and a host of other people.
 
And according to a law school professor, pursuant to the Military Commissions Act:
 

Anyone who … speaks out against the government’s policies could be declared an “unlawful enemy combatant” and imprisoned indefinitely. That includes American citizens.

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2011/02/america-might-be-a-more-gilded-cage-than-egypt-but-it-still-looks-like-a-cage.html

i'm not concerned about the reasonable imposition of these policies.
i'm concerned that the government by nature clinging to power will deem protestors, and political dissidents; terrorists.
president obama is quite fond of "indefinite detention".
when he gets reelected he will have more political capital to expend.
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« Reply #11 on: December 10, 2011, 02:36:30 AM »
Gotta get outta this country someday...
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« Reply #12 on: December 10, 2011, 02:50:44 AM »
and go where?
you can't even get into canada if you have traffic tickets.
the whole world is slowly turning into a prison.
and, don't vote for ron paul or you might be labeled as a terrorist.
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« Reply #13 on: December 10, 2011, 02:54:00 AM »
I like to delude myself into thinking that eventually the government will crumble from debt, and the rise of wireless mesh networking, bitcoin, seasteading, and tools such as Tor, I2P, Freenet, Waste, and so on... will allow for an anarcho-capitalist society with essentially no central planning will form and be as good as I imagine it being.
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« Reply #14 on: December 10, 2011, 02:57:16 AM »
a man can dream but the reality is more like this:
the banks are enginerring a global financial collapse then comes anarchy then comes a military/police state.
it's all by design
why do you think they are bringing all these combat hardened troops home?
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« Reply #15 on: December 10, 2011, 04:28:09 AM »
Wow I LIKE it when you guys get stuck in 8)

frank, you make so many valid points, i'm impressed as usual, but no way can I answer them here :P

 the BOTTOM LINE IS "divide to conquer"

jon is correct
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the banks are enginerring a global financial collapse then comes anarchy then comes a military/police state.
it's all by design
maybe not exactly "the banks" BUT definitely the "powers brokers from Old Money"
 
This planet has approximately 30+% asians, at least 15% indian people, and IF in todays world, you "lump ALL the Pakistanis on the planet, ya gots a fair few Pakistanis :o And Pakistan has an old history of gun manufacturing, as a family tradition, and has 3rd world facilities in many places , gee, how hard would it be to make some of the  gullible young people jealous of the Western Lifestyle", and even resent to the point of hating, a 1st world country? Not Very.

Great place to start another Yugoslav type bullshit in the middle east, where no one REALLY knows what they're still fighting over, its  "other people" telling them what to do!
 The old israelis are VERY dangerous, and just a bit nuts. They dont mind Killing to further themselves AT ALL, the "middle east" is a Perfect place to continue/have/start/ a war, shit. seems like there's been one there for a while!

AND WE ALL KNOW, AND DONT SAY SHIT  and act like "that's just how it is! :o"

I have some very cool "ethnic" friends,Hey what about Eso?  shit my dad was a barrister here in oz, from yugoslavia, but today he wouldn't be let into the country, and probably considered a terrorist! however he, and many refugees from WW2 were well schooled and trained in many fields, and succeeded on many levels and Oz wouldnt be this way without them, Shit, if the British had not been able to annex Palestine to "make" Israel, Nth West Oz, Kimberlys I believe, was Plan B. No shit.

Now IMO its not "fair" to call ANY nationality, or 'race' (fanatical) believers. And mobile ph's and the Internet HAVE changed the way individuals relate, It wasnt that long ago things like VoIP didnt exist, ESPECIALLY in much of rural Oz. Look at whats happened in Burma, as a result of the web, it could no longer remain a "Secret Kingdom/Dictatorship" there were too many leaks =>and Wikileaks has changed the world.
Exactly how, I have NO fuckin idea, except that a few more folks have woken up, and smelt the shit.

 Unfortunately, due to the currently restrictive regimes in Persia, by which I mean the Arabian 'peninsula,' (in the early 1970's, places like Tehran, Baghdad, Ankara etc etc  were some of the "hippest" places to go, and friendly (and had good hash 8)) it has become now a repressed misogynistic culture, where the truth is being "dictated" rather than discovered. people's religious 'beliefs' have been successfully used against them, with absurdities like Sharia law >:( I have a dear friend in Tehran, a Babe I met here, and she's trapped in the whole Niqab shit, NO ONE CAN SEE HER, and this is a Persian grrrl who spent a 18months here, with peeps like me. Her world was rocked, and now back in Iran, she'd have more fun in jail here, again, no shit, man how do you reply to a " I'm crying I miss Oz" type email? what can I DO?
The men are sexist fucks, with no common education

Mate we live "the good life" in Oz, and we the people of spaceship Earth, NEED to make some major changes, BUT coz they wont, they will die.

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I like to delude myself into thinking that eventually the government will crumble from debt, and the rise of wireless mesh networking, bitcoin, seasteading, and tools such as Tor, I2P, Freenet, Waste, and so on... will allow for an anarcho-capitalist society with essentially no central planning will form and be as good as I imagine it being

A majic thought/dream/idea vesp, I'd like to think so too, and IF enough of us DO, things will change

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« Reply #16 on: December 10, 2011, 05:15:20 AM »
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i'm not concerned about the reasonable imposition of these policies.
i'm concerned that the government by nature clinging to power will deem protestors, and political dissidents; terrorists.
president obama is quite fond of "indefinite detention".
when he gets reelected he will have more political capital to expend.

And therein lies the rub, it is a balancing act and I trust the powers that be not even a little bit. But sitting back and watching things turn to shit ain't gonna work. But what is going on in Pakistan is happening against the best plans of the capitalist crowd, that badly wanted to keep Reko Diq going as a cash cow (and fuck the Baloch people who own the land and who've been getting massacred by the Pakistani Army <== there's a cause celebre right there - not before time either).

Unfortunately for them, the Pakistani army has the same set of morals as the Pakistani cricket team (and about as much brains), if you get away with something once, just keep doing it the same way until it doesn't work anymore. Well, it don't work no more - unfortunately for all concerned Bin Laden was found in Pakistan (who are mating up with China and saying fuck you to the NeoCons), ah well, best laid plans and all that... How about we write that off as a bad joke and choose India as our new best friend? After all, China is getting too big for her boots and is restricting profit opportunities and taking oil like its going out of fashion, they are even backing Iran FFS. Notice who is mating up with America nowadays? Due to the bogeyman in the South China sea?

Vesp, I enjoy anarchy but it won't work. No laws and noone to enforce the unenforceable is so alien and unthinkable to people who've grown used to a nanny state. The very absence of control scares them. So a reversion to a state of nature is bloody unlikely, any movement toward that would see people join into groups to fuck one another over and protect them and theirs more effectively. Something about human nature, with our control mentality, we cannot just let well enough alone.

Fresh,

It ain't to do with Israel, it isn't even to do with India all that much, it boils down to Pakistan doing the old Paki act of trying to play both sides against the middle and it all went to shit. They simply got too greedy for even the Neo's to put up with and too blatant for it to be hidden. Now that is going some, but it is true, and now instead of trying to make up for doing the wrong thing(s) (having been caught), they are going to sulk like spiteful fucking children and try and harm the hand that fed them so long. They don't even have the wit to understand that they simply need to make a minimal effort to appear sorry and it would all be swept under the carpet. Nope, that stiff-necked refusal to accept the consequences of their highly visible wrongs that characterises all aspects of Pakistani thought, is about to bring the world to a crashing fucking halt. Regardless of right or wrong, whether or not they were caught red handed, these dickheads will continue to deny everything until public opinion brings the sky crashing down upon them. Unbelievable arrogance coupled with absolutely incredible levels of stupidity will almost certainly be the most outrageous aspect of what is coming. People dislike being treated like idiots, they seriously dislike being scammed and they will not cop having their noses rubbed in the proof of the same.

The consequences will be serious, public opinion is about to take a fucking dive over this issue. Pakistan has stated openly that it sent parts of the 'stealth' helicopter that crashed at Bin Laden's place to China/Russia. Now, it has the shits with the drones, one of which recently crashed, and turns up in Iran? Hmmm... Have a look at the pictures, it hasn't crashed, that ain't what jet engined aircraft that crash from high altitude look like (they are generally in small pieces and badly fucked up). So it was probably dropped at low-altitude, although in at least partial control and someone got to it before the owners. They go over the border into Iran at high-altitude so it wasn't there. It wasn't trucked across Afghanistan, so that leaves Pakistan, purely by deductive reasoning.

On top of that, investigative journalists are now on the scent of big wads of cash, being flung around by arrogant, stiff-necked Generals who lack the nous to hide their ill-gotten gains. Expect to see a hell of a lot on the major networks about this shit. Then there are the major insurgencies going on inside Pakistan, by armed groups that are sick of being murdered, of being disappeared, of being abducted, etc. by the Punjabbi state. Amnesty has been on about them for decades now, wait till the lazy journalists read the sheer volume of evidence that is lying around on that (incidentally, Pervez Musharraf has been indicted over the murder of a Baloch leader as well).

It is long past time this shit came out, unfortunately, China is going to get behind Pakistan in order to tweak the USA's nose (which is why Pakistan is trying to brazen its way out). They've picked a god awful time for it though, the American public is about to be bombarded with evidence of deceit, larceny, betrayal and all of it, just as it is going to an election. Why? Well it will hurt the incumbent I'd guess would be the thought process (what effect it has when that damage splashes back is going to be awful interesting) and being tough on dickheads who set themselves up to get busted is a traditional part of the US political process. Ultimately, this is likely to cause the biggest shitfight in generations, the Pakistani people are not going to admit that they fucked up, the Pakistani Generals going to brazen it out. In a very short time they will start calling for retribution against the west (louder than they are now) for cutting off funding and that will lead to more punitive measures by various nations withdrawing aid. They will then threaten with their nukes and their psychopathic loons and the concept of putting the two together, and right about then it will be time to act (too fucking late, but they wouldn't have nukes at all without US funding over decades) because India will respond if the US/NATO/Cth doesn't. India will also be looking to mate up with France (which wouldn't suit the US/NATO/Cth either).

So we have a domino effect from big alliances, all of which sounds suspiciously like where last century started really. Baah History, who fucking needs it
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Re: get ready for martial law
« Reply #17 on: December 10, 2011, 05:36:53 AM »
speaking of alliances war with iran is looking more and moe inevitable and russia is having none of it.
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« Reply #18 on: December 10, 2011, 07:19:25 AM »
when the wasps and the bumblebees have a party, nobody comes that can't buzz...

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« Reply #19 on: December 10, 2011, 07:55:35 AM »
Omar the one-eyed is already here (although it is true, a very large number of the people 'following' him are in fact jews :o)

As for Russia, watch this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O98wmcIDXqw), Putin:"I'm glad this guy is asking me, because it really does pain me to see the humanitarian crisis in Gaza. We would have eliminated it in one day." Interviewer:"The Humanitarian Crisis?" Putin:"No, Gaza"
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