Author Topic: A Manifesto? (Read 259 times)

Vesp · « **on:** January 24, 2012, 09:50:54 PM »

I'm sure most of you know about the hackers manifesto, right?
What do you think of the idea of creating some sort of manifesto for us - the wasps, bees, psychonauts, shroomerites, etc etc?

It is something I've been thinking of more and more about. I'm not totally sure, but it seems to me that it could be helpful to whatever direction we want things to go? kind of a call to arms, almost?

Just an idea I am entertaining, and would like feedback.

fresh1 · « **Reply #1 on:** January 25, 2012, 10:19:46 PM »

It would be interesting to see what would constitute a manifesto....fresh wouldnt know where too start

How would you word it? It would want to be non specific, re: activity....preferably, in a timeless and impersonal format

I'm not sure a "mission statement" would necessarily go in our favor....those who oppose wasps, already have a long list of our shortcomings

Its probably not something I'd hang on my wall, but, I'd like to see what is proposed

it could be a bit of fun

Vesp · « **Reply #2 on:** January 25, 2012, 11:11:12 PM »

I was actually thinking I'd have it be an open editable manifesto and let everyone write it, share ideas, and than rephrase it, check grammar, make sure it is very short 2 pages at the very very most, etc.. .

It would exist to try to encourage an.. Anonymous styled grass roots movement to end the war on drugs - ideally...

fresh1 · « **Reply #3 on:** January 25, 2012, 11:52:38 PM »

Yeah, sounds good, maybe you Vesp, could start it, and let the community(and yourself, of course) develop it from there

I'd be most interested to see what issues it would(should?) cover...I'm not sure I would know where to start

I agree, no more than one page, would be best, and to able to be read, in not much more than a minute, is a good idea,...lets get to the essence of the issue, if thats possible

It would be interesting to see what different folks would say/state, and what their priorities are (legal,moral)

I guess most members share 'common goals' overall, however, these would vary, depending which part of the world they inhabit, and the constraints affecting their endeavors, e.g the availability of precursors, the laws and their enforcement, to name just a few variables....whic IMO, would, in itself would be quite interesting/enlightening

How would you make it, openly editable?

Would peeps just modify each "version" (copy/paste and edit?) until a draft which all 'agree with' is obtained?

A cool idea matey, I look forward to seeing (and helping) its progress

Vesp · « **Reply #4 on:** January 26, 2012, 12:13:58 AM »

This link anyone can edit the posts, help with ideas, and formating, etc... http://piratenpad.de/p/Vesp's_Manifesto

Despite having written that it, it seems a bit.. "too idealistic" and to "aggressive" in nature for me... but this is like the rough rough and super crude draft.... so I guess ehh
see where it all goes?

Feel free to edit it, add little feedback comments in certain places etc..

Keep in mind I was just being scribbly and wrote some ideas that were in my head... I don't even support everything said within that, but I think other things skimmed on or mentioned need to be addressed more ,etc...

Sedit · « **Reply #5 on:** January 26, 2012, 02:52:57 AM »

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This is a call to arms - make drugs! grow drugs! sell drugs! use drugs!
Sell them online, sell them in person, sell them to dealers, and to users. Sell items used to make them, to consume them, and to conceal them!
Share all you know about drugs! how to make them, how to take them, how to distribute, to hide,

As much as I agree I think this is something that could take off if done properly meaning even though it will go against current political agenda it should be written as Politically correct as possible meaning we must attempt to offend the lest amount of people as possible while writing it.

The part about Sharing your knowledge of drugs is perfect but it should be written out in the form of a harm reduction. IE stating something about Sharing your information on drugs in order to save lives and protect the ignorant and foolish to educate the masses or something along them lines if you understand what I mean.

There should be great focus on the fact that most of the danger of drugs is due to a lack of understanding. Take Heroin for instance, it is relatively non toxic with a pretty good LD 50 however it causes more overdoses then anything. This is almost always due to combining it with depressants like Alcohol or Benzos.

Start off soft... present our ideas and agenda. Get the people on our side and shift into aggression mode smoothly but quickly to maintain there focus and assure that they get that inner fuzzy feeling of goose bumps so that they would feel like they where making a great change joining our movement.

Vesp · « **Reply #6 on:** January 26, 2012, 02:59:04 AM »

Yes - that exact quote is what I was referring to earlier and that I didn't agree with, or seemed too idealistic.. .

Again, just some ideas at first - wanted to see what other people have to say, and such - feel free to edit it. I'd love to see other peoples twists to the article and how to make it more agreeable, and more inspirational.

It isn't like I don't have it somewhere else... so nothing is lost even if someone deleted the entire thing.

I feel like now is a good time to start such a thing...
1. Everyone is upset at something, and buzzing with 99%, Occupying, Anonymous, hacking, etc all in the name of protest, etc.
2. For the first time more than 50% of the US think Marijuana should be legalized..
3. It is election season - so their is more talk and attention directed towards everything.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U02YbZgUtvo

dream0n · « **Reply #7 on:** January 26, 2012, 03:03:43 AM »

When written eloquently anything can become perfect; using precisely the right word makes all the difference.

Vesp · « **Reply #8 on:** January 26, 2012, 03:16:53 AM »

Yes. that isn't something I am very good at, however - it isn't like I practice this stuff, and it is hard to get feedback.

So naturally.. perspective and help from others I bet is the way to go about it.

Sedit · « **Reply #9 on:** January 26, 2012, 03:47:08 AM »

Even though I really hate writing and my normal post won't really show it I am rather good at wording and writing things in a way that is more elegant then they seem. Plus... I know someone that might be able to really tie up loose ends but I would rather not speak of that person in public. Who better to write a manifesto then an English teacher right?

DopeBee · « **Reply #10 on:** January 26, 2012, 03:58:48 AM »

The opening paragraph will be the most important, in order to draw people's attention. But like Sedit said start off soft, even with just facts (not too dreamy) and as it goes on then the idealistic shit can come into play. I'll play around with it as well over the next week or so.

Vesp · « **Reply #11 on:** January 26, 2012, 04:19:40 AM »

Also I guess the last paragraph would also be very important.
I have heard the first and last part of any article is what makes or breaks it.
surely you want to leave with a strong message and not taper off.

I have someone who likes grammar and language as well - to an annoying extent, so they will likely rephrase and fix all grammar spelling issues once it is getting closer to any finalization.

fresh1 · « **Reply #12 on:** January 26, 2012, 06:34:55 AM »

Great stuff everywasps!!! its good to see the hive buzzing with opinions and ideas, and accidental flames and singes

but with sincere apologies too, which is great to see, becoz, imo it shows the overall good intentions of the members, and as we know, its easy to be misunderstood online

Hey vesp, the page wont open for me

it just sits there saying "loading" and does nada? Its probably me, but I cant guess what...ideas amigo?

I must say I'm looking forward to contributing

I think, taking an objective and light hearted approach will help towards making such a document both palateable and accessible to as many peeps as possible

By this I mean, it wants to be something that is both 'easy' and 'enjoyable' to read, and this imo is much easier said than done

I think we should AVOID mentioning blatanly illegal activity e.g. "how to distribute them/how to conceal them" and the like...lets leave that stuff up to the intrepid individual, to suss that stuff out, it'll keep em on their toes, and make the UTSFE

I say stick to the positives, be positive, say positive and stay positive...hey you never know, e might accidentally get someone to change their (mistaken) beliefs, that drugz like Asid are Bad 4 U....wot wuld thay no? pah!

AND. we'd really want to extoll the virtues associated with the FREEDOM OF CHOICE associated with the desire to have control over ones controlled drug use

Its my life, and I live it...bitch!

fresh1 · « **Reply #13 on:** January 27, 2012, 07:27:02 AM »

I thought I'd post the original hackers manifesto..

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The following was written shortly after my arrest...

\/\The Conscience of a Hacker/\/

by

+++The Mentor+++

Written on January 8, 1986
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

Another one got caught today, it's all over the papers. "Teenager
Arrested in Computer Crime Scandal", "Hacker Arrested after Bank Tampering"...
Damn kids. They're all alike.

But did you, in your three-piece psychology and 1950's technobrain,
ever take a look behind the eyes of the hacker? Did you ever wonder what
made him tick, what forces shaped him, what may have molded him?
I am a hacker, enter my world...
Mine is a world that begins with school... I'm smarter than most of
the other kids, this crap they teach us bores me...
Damn underachiever. They're all alike.

I'm in junior high or high school. I've listened to teachers explain
for the fifteenth time how to reduce a fraction. I understand it. "No, Ms.
Smith, I didn't show my work. I did it in my head..."
Damn kid. Probably copied it. They're all alike.

I made a discovery today. I found a computer. Wait a second, this is
cool. It does what I want it to. If it makes a mistake, it's because I
screwed it up. Not because it doesn't like me...
Or feels threatened by me...
Or thinks I'm a smart ass...
Or doesn't like teaching and shouldn't be here...
Damn kid. All he does is play games. They're all alike.

And then it happened... a door opened to a world... rushing through
the phone line like heroin through an addict's veins, an electronic pulse is
sent out, a refuge from the day-to-day incompetencies is sought... a board is
found.
"This is it... this is where I belong..."
I know everyone here... even if I've never met them, never talked to
them, may never hear from them again... I know you all...
Damn kid. Tying up the phone line again. They're all alike...

You bet your ass we're all alike... we've been spoon-fed baby food at
school when we hungered for steak... the bits of meat that you did let slip
through were pre-chewed and tasteless. We've been dominated by sadists, or
ignored by the apathetic. The few that had something to teach found us will-
ing pupils, but those few are like drops of water in the desert.

This is our world now... the world of the electron and the switch, the
beauty of the baud. We make use of a service already existing without paying
for what could be dirt-cheap if it wasn't run by profiteering gluttons, and
you call us criminals. We explore... and you call us criminals. We seek
after knowledge... and you call us criminals. We exist without skin color,
without nationality, without religious bias... and you call us criminals.
You build atomic bombs, you wage wars, you murder, cheat, and lie to us
and try to make us believe it's for our own good, yet we're the criminals.

Yes, I am a criminal. My crime is that of curiosity. My crime is
that of judging people by what they say and think, not what they look like.
My crime is that of outsmarting you, something that you will never forgive me
for.

I am a hacker, and this is my manifesto. You may stop this individual,
but you can't stop us all... after all, we're all alike.

+++The Mentor+++
_________________________________________________

Vesp · « **Reply #14 on:** January 27, 2012, 04:39:05 PM »

Yeah it is an interesting manifesto. It is pretty famous too -- most intro CS classes teach about it I believe.

fresh1 · « **Reply #15 on:** January 29, 2012, 09:11:34 AM »

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It is pretty famous too -- most intro CS classes teach about it I believe.

fair dinkum..I never would have thought

what is the rationale behind 'teaching it' I guess it would vary, did you get taught it vesp? what did they 'teach you' using it?

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Yes, I am a criminal. My crime is that of curiosity. My crime is
that of judging people by what they say and think, not what they look like.
My crime is that of outsmarting you, something that you will never forgive me
for

my type of criminal, hehe

tryl · « **Reply #16 on:** January 29, 2012, 11:32:13 AM »

incapacitated drug addicted nerds of the world, UNITE!
you've got nothing to loose, but... nevermind.

Vesp · « **Reply #17 on:** January 31, 2012, 07:47:38 AM »

It was just something taught about because of computer history, I guess.

It was important because hackers and hacking didn't always carry that negative connotation around it like it does today.

DopeBee · « **Reply #18 on:** March 12, 2012, 03:01:23 AM »

Just some random thoughts here. Vesp maybe you can find something useful here to mix into your manifesto.

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Hackers and chemists are similar in that they both take pleasure in discovering, exploring and creating. It is natural for us to be drawn to the frontiers of technology and science, rather than fear them. It is natural for us to question authority, rather than follow orders blindly. And because of this we are often subjected to the punishments of whatever egotistic control-freaks happen to be in power.

It is natural for those of us with curious minds to test the limits of our own consciousnesses. Instead of harboring a safe and open environment in which to test and develop the effects of mind-altering substances, governments worldwide have joined together to oppress everyone's right to their own consciousness.

People who seek domination and control will stop at nothing in order to fulfill their desire for power over others. Their method to gain control of the masses is the manipulation of the human brain's reward and fear centers. They knew how empowering mind-altering substances could be and so they declared a War On Drugs. They also know how empowering the internet is, and so what do you think their next step will be? My guess is they will not openly declare this war, but they will use the usual fear tactics and propaganda in order to enact more and more controls and laws pertaining to the internet. It would be wise for hackers and chemists alike to join together in an alliance, in the fight for the freedom and sovereignty of our own bodies, minds and destinies.

Each generation needs to learn to fight their government's attempts to oppress, to control and to manipulate. Governments have grown so large and powerful and overbearing and at the same time western culture is becoming more timid and submissive. We should be willing to give our lives to fight the corruption that grows naturally in governments, because if one is not willing to fight for their own freedom there will certainly be people in government willing to fight to take that freedom away.

Vesp · « **Reply #19 on:** March 12, 2012, 03:08:37 AM »

Where are you quoting that from? I like it very much!

At least, certain parts of it. Not all. but most all of it.

Thank you very very much for sharing this!

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