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jon

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mda freebase
« on: September 06, 2009, 11:56:53 AM »
i'm on it!!!

gotta love the freebase sittling licking mda oil really like the way it tastes.
it has an almost sweet taste to it.
takes a little longer than usual but swij is just lazy and did'nt crystallize it.
but now he prefers to lick ecstacy freebase and listen to music, mda is very intoxicating.

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Re: mda freebase
« Reply #1 on: September 06, 2009, 02:48:55 PM »
There is a member over at PN that claims the freebase is in active. I find this very hard to believe so if you will please try to get an exact dose and let us know because his claim is that the salt is metabolized in a different area hence greater absorbsion so you need a larger amount of freebase for the same effect. I feel that any internal freebase will be converted into a salt in the stomach anyway so no need presalt it for it to be active. Let us know please
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Re: mda freebase
« Reply #2 on: September 07, 2009, 05:47:40 AM »
I would think you are most likely just wasting your freebase.  Some should convert into soluble salts in the stomach and be active, but quite a bit is probably just passing right through unused.

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Re: mda freebase
« Reply #3 on: September 07, 2009, 07:41:38 AM »
the hell the mda base is inactivite.
can't really say the dose because swij like to roll big so he tends to have large amounts.
he just puts a few drops on a spoon and away he goes mda is a lot different from mdma i like it because you can be fucked up out of your goard and totally together at the same time like i am right now, once again.
 man i'm fucked up.

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Re: mda freebase
« Reply #4 on: September 24, 2009, 07:05:08 PM »
The freebase should be active just like jon and sedit said. The stomach PH as sedit mentioned will form the hydrochloride readily but the dosage might be a lil bit different.

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Re: mda freebase
« Reply #5 on: September 24, 2009, 07:37:58 PM »
why not methylenate that shiz?

The freebase should be active just like jon and sedit said. The stomach PH as sedit mentioned will form the hydrochloride readily but the dosage might be a lil bit different.

true.

and you know what they say about the potentiation of phenethylamines in the way of extending their half-life and absorption rate by making your stomach more alkaline?  typically the use of calcium is referenced, which is done at around 200mg or so right (i can't remember)?  i'd bet jon's probably dosing 200mg or higher w/w of mda, so wouldn't that give a similar effect by temporarily increasing the ph of the stomach?  it's a topic that's more complicated than one might think at first glance.
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Re: mda freebase
« Reply #6 on: September 25, 2009, 05:45:08 AM »
and you know what they say about the potentiation of phenethylamines in the way of extending their half-life and absorption rate by making your stomach more alkaline?  typically the use of calcium is referenced, which is done at around 200mg or so right (i can't remember)?  i'd bet jon's probably dosing 200mg or higher w/w of mda, so wouldn't that give a similar effect by temporarily increasing the ph of the stomach?  it's a topic that's more complicated than one might think at first glance.

I don't think so.  It would take roughly 716mg of freebase to have the same effect as 200mg CaCO3 (if that's what you mean by calcium).  CaCO3 = ~100g/mol, MDA = ~179g/mol.  1 Mole of CaCO3 can neutralize 2 mol of HCl, whereas 1 Mol of MDA can neutralize 1 mol of HCl.  200*2 = 400.  400*1.79 = 716.

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Re: mda freebase
« Reply #7 on: September 25, 2009, 12:11:43 PM »
and you know what they say about the potentiation of phenethylamines in the way of extending their half-life and absorption rate by making your stomach more alkaline?  typically the use of calcium is referenced, which is done at around 200mg or so right (i can't remember)?  i'd bet jon's probably dosing 200mg or higher w/w of mda, so wouldn't that give a similar effect by temporarily increasing the ph of the stomach?  it's a topic that's more complicated than one might think at first glance.

I don't think so.  It would take roughly 716mg of freebase to have the same effect as 200mg CaCO3 (if that's what you mean by calcium).  CaCO3 = ~100g/mol, MDA = ~179g/mol.  1 Mole of CaCO3 can neutralize 2 mol of HCl, whereas 1 Mol of MDA can neutralize 1 mol of HCl.  200*2 = 400.  400*1.79 = 716.

Yeah CaCO3 would be the most common form people would be using as a supplement.  Nice work on the math.  Out of curiosity how did you calculate how many moles of MDA it would take to neutralize HCl?

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Re: mda freebase
« Reply #8 on: September 25, 2009, 12:28:39 PM »
It's simple neutralization.

MDA + HCl --> MDA.HCl (protonation of the nitrogen makes a cation, chloride sticks as an anion).
Na2CO3 + 2HCl --> 2NaCl + CO2 + H2O
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Re: mda freebase
« Reply #9 on: October 03, 2009, 04:31:26 AM »
to say the least swij was "ON IT!" as we say around these parts to allude to be totally fucked on ecstacy.
probably eating  a gram in an evening swij has taken more like 1.5 gram once and talk about too much!!!
everything just kind of swirls around you after 15 hits of mda and strangely you feel very mellow about it too.
mda is cool stuff swij likes to mix it up with mdma it synergizes mdma they really compliment one another after 2-300 doses in the space of a couple of weeks it was'nt working no more so swij's bipolar ass says u know what hmm lets make some mda to go on top of that and damn it worked.

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Re: mda freebase
« Reply #10 on: October 03, 2009, 04:33:27 AM »
^^^ Ummm, wouldn't 1500mg kill you? I mean that is 15 times the normal dosage and MDA is afterall an amphetamine.

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Re: mda freebase
« Reply #11 on: October 03, 2009, 04:46:00 AM »
LMAO tolerance is a sickness that jon has mastered :P
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Re: mda freebase
« Reply #12 on: October 03, 2009, 05:27:08 AM »
nope believe it or not one can suck down obscene amounts of mda in a single sitting as swij has prooven time and time again now injecting the stuff is another matter  but to sit at pile of X and suck it up with a straw shit it's only X right?
in reality it probably takes around 70 doses mdma to kill, mda is a little more toxic so mileage varies.
U would not believe how much ecstacy you can actually take though.
of course there's always the feedback mechanism that tells one they way overdid it but that's another matter.

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Re: mda freebase
« Reply #13 on: October 03, 2009, 09:11:52 AM »
I may be stuck with a bunch of freebase MDA oil instead of it's hydrochloride salt so I had a couple questions.

One of the reasons for making the hydrochloride salt is for it's stability.Iis the freebase that much more unstable? Will it degrade quickly?

The other main reason for the salt is solubility in the stomach. However, even though the freebase takes longer to absorb shouldn't the freebase still eventually be fully absorb? (And yes I read above)

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Re: mda freebase
« Reply #14 on: October 03, 2009, 10:32:19 PM »
it does'nt really make much diff in time to take action.
as far as stability swij has'nt really held onto mda for very long it tends to go quickly so can't really comment on that.

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Re: mda freebase
« Reply #15 on: October 04, 2009, 12:46:46 AM »
Has anyone smoked MDMA?

Should throw some freebase in an oil pipe Jon! Give us a bioassay of that!

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« Reply #16 on: October 04, 2009, 01:04:50 AM »
German, I've read Rhodium once before say that MDA freebase forms the carbonate salt rather quickly.  it ends up as something more like gummy crap rather than oil, that's the carbonate.  however the carbonate salt can go right back to the freebase if something drives off the co2, ie: heat, etc.  i haven't heard much about the carbonate salt other than of course it's active and not as stable as the hcl salt.

nope believe it or not one can suck down obscene amounts of mda in a single sitting as swij has prooven time and time again now injecting the stuff is another matter  but to sit at pile of X and suck it up with a straw shit it's only X right?
in reality it probably takes around 70 doses mdma to kill, mda is a little more toxic so mileage varies.
U would not believe how much ecstacy you can actually take though.
of course there's always the feedback mechanism that tells one they way overdid it but that's another matter.

i've heard others say that mda is more toxic than mdma also but know nothing of it.  can you ellaborate?
i agree mdma and mda synergize REALLY REALLY well.  be careful though man, strike may have said it was benign but he wasn't 100% right.  it's benign as a once in awhile thing, but it can play hell on your emotions if you get too liberal with it for too long.  take it from me, i've been deep down that path before.  i learned a whole new respect for it and had a lot of weird physical issues along with emotions being out of control.  while sober... i would get little jots of electricity feeling that would shoot through my body every now and then and couldn't take a piss properly.  it was like constipation for #1 instead of #2 it was weird, though it was a UTI but went to the doctor and it wasn't.  there was some other strange weird shit too, but after a little bit of abstinence it all went away.  swim put holes in the wall over stupid crap like not being able to find a remote control.  never got depressed at all but got very anxious and angry.  that was all many years ago.  so anyway, yeah, just bee careful.  the shit's safe up to a certain extent then it is hell.

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Re: mda freebase
« Reply #17 on: October 04, 2009, 04:14:58 AM »
^^^ Doogie you really helped me out man. It's no wonder you got yourself an MD. I've been turning tons of freebase oil into tar and I've had no idea why. Now I do. Thanks man.

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Re: mda freebase
« Reply #18 on: October 04, 2009, 04:56:57 AM »
Glad to hear German!  ;D  swim hates when inexplicable problems keep reoccurring with very valuable goods

It's simple neutralization.

MDA + HCl --> MDA.HCl (protonation of the nitrogen makes a cation, chloride sticks as an anion).
Na2CO3 + 2HCl --> 2NaCl + CO2 + H2O

is there a formula that one can use to help determine how much HCl it would take to neutralize a given weight of freebase?  could you be so kind as to show me a example of how to calculate how much 33% HCl it would take to neutralize 1g of MDA freebase?

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Re: mda freebase
« Reply #19 on: October 04, 2009, 05:00:10 AM »
Has anyone smoked MDMA?

Should throw some freebase in an oil pipe Jon! Give us a bioassay of that!

Has anyone smoked MDMA?

Should throw some freebase in an oil pipe Jon! Give us a bioassay of that!

Yeah, good question, and if Jon is busy, I will nominate myself as the guinea pig with this Naf 1. Risky as it is, but for the sake of science, let me know if I can be of service..
;) Thats a 24 hour service too btw..

Dont know how I double quoted the quoted, perhaps the seriousness of the offer has caused this repitition,
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