I have a hunch that certain N-alkyl melatonins (amyl, the butyl isomers, propyl, maybe even ethyl) might be worth exploring as psychedelics. It's likely that I'm wrong, but it's a nagging hunch been at me for a little while; they haven't been mentioned as far as I know, except Shulgin's mention that N-ethyl-melatonin doesn't hydrolyse easily. As for synthesis, I quickly found a few methods for alkylating amides, the old style reaction with sodium metal seems the wrong way to go, and the newfangled microwave method with PTC seems the most reasonable way ( http://www.mdpi.org/molecules/papers/41100333.pdf ), refluxing with PTC/toluene/RX has also been mentioned. The method cited uses TBAB, but I wonder if other quaternaries might be decent replacements? It would be rather nice if benzalkonium chloride for instance works here. Also, will simple sublimation do in place of a Kugelrohr? This seems a rather simple experiment, but one which I currently don't have the means to perform, I'm working on that, I certainly intend to experiment a little in the future. If any of you would be as kind as to offer tips or suggestions or guidance (or dissuasion?) etc. it would be much appreciated.
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Bluebottle
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timecube
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I think decarboxylation is a must to get anything useful, and that you'd be better off starting from 5-hydroxytryptophan.
Please see:
http://127.0.0.1/talk/index.php/topic,321.0.html
http://127.0.0.1/talk/index.php/topic,680.0.html
Please see:
http://127.0.0.1/talk/index.php/topic,321.0.html
http://127.0.0.1/talk/index.php/topic,680.0.html
delic
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Decarboxylation? Melatonin is not a carboxylic acid.
I think the suggestion is promising, though I don't know if the amides would be anything more than prodrugs.
I think the suggestion is promising, though I don't know if the amides would be anything more than prodrugs.
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no it's an acetylamide it hydrolyses only very slowly and with diffficulty.
do this then alkylate, shulgin suggested feeding the resultant 5meo-dialkyltrptamine into some psylocybin fungi which would 4-hydroxylate just about anything then you would have something very novel (never synthesized before)
a 4-0H,5-meodialkyltryptamine which has'nt been made because it's a ten step synthesis and most of us chemists are lazy and prefer shortcuts
do this then alkylate, shulgin suggested feeding the resultant 5meo-dialkyltrptamine into some psylocybin fungi which would 4-hydroxylate just about anything then you would have something very novel (never synthesized before)
a 4-0H,5-meodialkyltryptamine which has'nt been made because it's a ten step synthesis and most of us chemists are lazy and prefer shortcuts
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