lol. Reading posts and stuff at this place, it kinda makes me laugh, because i have a question,
where is the line to be drawn at? We are amateur chemists right? We are by no means profession
al chemists, because if we where, then we would have bachelor or masters or even PhD degrees
in Organic Chemistry from a major university, and i somehow doubt that if any of us had those
credentials then we would be in this drug forum.

Don't get me wrong, i respect amateur drug cooks totally, they deserve respect, after all, they are
being oppressed by the government who will not let them make drugs, and ultimately they have to
play a game of cat and mouse with law enforcement. But all of that aside, it brings me to a questi
on, the entire difficulty of our art is not based on the fact that what we are doing is difficult, heck,
if you go to a modern organic chemistry lab at a major university, it is probably enough to make
most people here orgasm in anticipation, every conceivable reagent imaginable, all on the shelves,
complete with fancy equipment, and an unlimited amount of labware, flasks, and other glassware
specialized for every task, you also have an industrial strength vacuum pump, all kinds of hydrogen
ation devices, ultra-fancy distillation setups, boiling point meters, and everything else, rotary evap
orators and just everything imaginable, not to mention it's all computerized, you just pin in the digit
s on an LCD screen and the machines will do most of the temperature control and everything else
for you, in this regard, organic chemistry is hardly difficult, it's like cooking in a kitchen, and having
every ingredient and cooking implement there for you.

But why is it so hard for us? Well it's because we have to sweat blood in fear, we have to sweat
blood in finding the precursors, we have to sweat blood in our lifesyle, the way that we live, and
it is damn well wrong! And it damn well needs to change!

Yeah well that's true. Guys like you are more privlidged than guys like me, after all i don't have any university-level chemistry education, i have a degree in science, but it's not chemistry, and i have yet to fine-tune my skills to the extent that you are probably use to. In regards to amateur chemists, i think that it's an important art for people to learn, i just think that in general, and generally speaking, we need to comit ourselves to helping others, and spread the knowledge and the word. Drug cooking is easy so long as you have all that you need, i think that the best amateur drug chemists are those who invest in the best equipment, a combination heating/magnetic stir plate is the most basic thing, but then you can always have other stuff as well, if you can streamline the entire process, that is when things will go well for you. It's just with law enforcement on our backs all of the time it makes it damn hard. Unless of course you are clever enough to have some mainstream access to all of the reagents and precursors that we need.

Reading posts and stuff at this place, it kinda makes me laugh, because i have a question,
where is the line to be drawn at? We are amateur chemists right? We are by no means profession
al chemists, because if we where, then we would have bachelor or masters or even PhD degrees
in Organic Chemistry from a major university, and i somehow doubt that if any of us had those
credentials then we would be in this drug forum.

..........vantilator

......what is your point?    and you know what they say about assumptions,   just so you show some respect to many of the members here.....there are many professional chemists in the clandestine forums, it was true  for the Hive, and it's true for Sciencemadness, Psychonauts, Drug -forums, WD, the zonez, and here and many more....so if you feel unconfortable with your level of knowledge don't try to bring everyone down  to your insecure level, read more and ask questions and try to respect your fellow members that are here to help and assist all those that need help, so in the future they may be able to assist others like yourself.......java

I don't think that anyone can major in organic chemistry and just get a BS in chemistry.  I thought a BS in chemistry is mainly on general chemistry.  Its think you can get a MS or PhD in organic chemistry. 

I am about to start on an undergraduate chemistry course, seems like I might be a little bored to start with