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biobrew
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primathon
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re: synth78 what's up
Mon Aug 01, 2005 9:02 pm |
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Let's find out, shall we?
I really don't like the way that things were handled before. Let's see what the fucking deal was, eh? |
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hAzzBEEn
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re: synth78 what's up
Mon Aug 01, 2005 9:11 pm |
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Who knows WTF is going on? Who paid for the server this month?
I really don't like the way that things were handled before, either.
Rock on. |
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java
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re: synth78 what's up
Tue Aug 02, 2005 12:10 am |
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It would be good if the funds generated from this forum were given back in a form of paying ahead for the server and the server access given to somone we can trust .....all nominations are now open , make your nomination and we will then put the members nominated to a vote..........and that's how all things should run with a posted vote so we can move on in unisome,...... this is not a few's school project, nor a way to earn funds that the forum will not benefit from , I always thought this was forum were we had learned from our previous mistakes..............I guess things will continue to happen until we learn our lesson...............
I therefore make my nomination........ Jackoozie, Primathon ......server access should be given to me for safe keeping and until we have elected a trustworthy few to manage our board..... so synth mail me the administrative/server access to my gmail ......I will then lock you out and you can become a regular member as you always wanted....you might want to change your nick..............java
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primathon
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re: synth78 what's up
Tue Aug 02, 2005 2:05 am |
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| If we could put the AdSense ads back on (if that bridge hasn't been burned already), I'd like to see the proceeds go directly to the host, and eliminate the middle man. Privacy is protected, and we're assured hosting as long as we keep clicking links. But again, that all depends on whether or not we're already fucked there. We'll see. |
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jackoozzi
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re: synth78 what's up
Tue Aug 02, 2005 2:20 am |
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| I think we could put them back up according to the msg i got from nazl but it makes to much money to just send to the host we were going to host wd with it as well cause it averages about $20us a day |
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recondite
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re: synth78 what's up
Tue Aug 02, 2005 3:01 am |
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| I really wasn't expecting to see this site back up. Strange. |
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jackoozzi
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re: synth78 what's up
Tue Aug 02, 2005 3:12 am |
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| You think thats strange i wasnt expecting to see it down |
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java
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re: synth78 what's up
Tue Aug 02, 2005 3:28 am |
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| Jackoozie .........I do believe that you had no knowledge of what was happening.....sort of left out of the loop as the rest of us, hence I publicly make this statement as so there is no doubt to my support for your nomination as a member administrator of synthetikal.........java |
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jackoozzi
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re: synth78 what's up
Tue Aug 02, 2005 6:34 am |
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| Thanks java your support means a lot to me now we have to try to figure out how to fix all this and make it good again |
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primathon
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re: synth78 what's up
Tue Aug 02, 2005 8:27 am |
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| First things first, we need the information that Synth currently holds in regards to the cPanel access. If he's got that, then he controls everything (namely the DB connectivity). If he would like to be a regular user again, he can trade the cPanel info for it. |
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Ephoton
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re: synth78 what's up
Tue Aug 02, 2005 3:16 pm |
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I think this html www based cladenstine chemistry forum stuff is not the
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encripted hidden ip peer 2 peer
other wise I must agree with organikum (sorry synth no disrispet ment
thanx for the hive nubee you rock)
primathon your an interesting character hmmm
ps what is with hellman |
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lurker4711
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re: synth78 what's up
Tue Aug 09, 2005 11:48 am |
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Is everybody insane here? This board was told to be taken over by the australian LE and people are posting here as there is no tomorrow?
Where is your fucking responsibility?
Hey Elementary.
You were they most paranoid fuck at thy Hive and here you play the slut?
Thats not true.
This board is compromised you idiots and the forelorn ex-admins donīt even have the balls to tell as the are all AU and fucked.
bye |
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iohaie
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re: synth78 what's up
Wed Aug 10, 2005 2:09 am |
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| lurker I think u are right, but some of us arent doing anything illegal, as well as im sure some of us arent from the land Ozz... I for one havent been doing anything illegal. never have, and never will... just aint worth the risk. maybe there are ppl here that are doing illegal stuff, but for sure most of the ppl here arent doing anything illegal in their country of origin (or where they are now). anyway, enjoy, and bee safe/ |
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primathon
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Here's Everything...
Wed Aug 10, 2005 4:27 am |
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Okay, plenty of people have been asking, and I'm sorry I've been so pressed for time I haven't gotten around to it sooner, so here's everything that I know at this point:
Synthetika started this site in late February of this year. He decided that hosting with a company based overseas, but with servers in Georgia would be a good idea, and obviously gave no thought to the ramifications of the United States Patriot Act. Not a big deal right now, so we waited... Months went by, and everything seemed to be fine.
Early in june, I recieved word that Syn was "quietly freaking out", and apparently he and his friends had been contacted by local Aussie police (believe what you will there) in regards to running this site. The details of that whole sitation are not important anymore, but at that point he bailed out leaving us all where we are now. Apparently I became the new admin. Yay.
When we recieved word that the site was going to be shut down within a few days, I gave all-out access to plenty of material. At this point, I'd imagine that a lot of users decided to do what I had asked, and 'hammered the bandwidth', so to speak. Within hours, we were recieving 'Error 509: Bandwidth Limit Exceeded', so I guess that worked for a few bees. Hope you guys got some good material.
At first, I thought "that was that", but then the site returned in a few days. Of course, everyone didn't know what to think. I certainly saw it as a surprise, as did quite a few other bees. I decided that since we were apparently back up, something had extended the lifespan of the hosting, and that I should probably cancel the bandwidth-sucking links (at least for the time being). After speaking with the hosts, we were told that since standard cancellation procedures were not followed, the card was automatically billed again for another month. Given that more often than not, you need a credit card to open a hosting account/buy a domain, this doesn't seem that far-fetched and is well within the realm of possibility.
During all this, I'd been discussing these matters with legal counsel, wondering what the law said about this sort of thing. The just of it is that a site of this nature is not, in and of itself, illegal. When users start getting together to conspire to do 'illegal things', it becomes conspiracy, or assisting a conspiracy. Obviously, this is bad. I mentioned the Patriot Act earlier for exactly these reasons. The Act gives the three-letter agencies the ability, the right, to take action against sites like this. Here's an excerpt:
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If they obtained authorization for a wiretap or an equivalent listening method, authorizing them to intercept electronic communications to the server (including intercepting member's IP headers) the tap would be in place for the period of time the authorization allowed and you would know about it only after the tap ended and the authorization expired. The law authorizing wiretaps and the electronic interception provisions in the Patriot Act both make disclosing the existence of a tap or trap a criminal offense, and disclosure would be met with criminal charges against the people in possession of the server for obstructing justice.
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Now, there's no provisions that prevent us from at least asking the host about these sorts of things. If we get an answer that says (non-evasively) "nope, nothing like that's happened", then we at least know that they don't have anything to do with it. If they say anything along the lines of "we can't disclose that information" or "we're not at liberty to say", then we know we've got problems.
Also, this thing spans a few countries. The servers are in the US, but the hosts reside in the Netherlands. The communications line between the two could (in theory) be what was targeted by a hypothetical authorization from an American agency, in which case the host may not have any idea of what's going on, and they (the agency) would be under no obligation to let the host know what they were doing.
So that's where we're at now. Personally, I would like to apologize to the entire community for my lack of knowledge of the inner workings of this machine, and any consequences that may transpire. Were it 'my baby', I never NEVER would have let this get set up inside the United States of Amerika. That's just plain stupid, and even glossing over everything else Synthetika did, that is the one unforgivable offense he committed.
So, the servers have either been compromised, or they haven't. Nobody knows, and everything's guessing at this point. We have no evidence that LE is involved, other than paranoia, and it's keeping everybody on their toes. The hosts seem to be receptive to our communication, and have been providing most of the information that I believe they should be under the circumstances. The only reason (they say) they haven't given us cPanel access yet is because technically, Syn is still the owner, his name's still on the bill, and it's still his ballgame (even though nobody's heard from him in god-knows how long).
What do you guys want to do? |
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