FULL Write-ups

Guest · Sun May 15, 2005 7:08 am

Here is where we turn our forums work, into finished scientific articles, published by you,

There have been many pioneers in the Past, Zwitterion, Popeye, Chromic & Ritter, to name a few,

Now we can contribute to the greater scientific community,

There are many topics on the boil as we speak, the great anode/cathod reduction of pn2p-----amine(bumbleBee), BzcHO multiple Synthesis & Aldol-Bayer Viilager(Indole,Bio,Twodogs) and so many more,

Here you will learn the indepth practical application of the knowledge you now know, present in an easy to read both technical, and expressive media rich format, with beofre and after reaction shots, and appropriate terminology,

I understand what both of you are saying and, tha we can have a happy blend of both,
Documents like Dr Drools, followed up with a technical footer, so they will both be usefull.

Syn

Syn

Guest · Mon May 16, 2005 9:08 am

awesome, sounds good.

Richy · Mon May 16, 2005 1:02 pm

It's worth considering a concept-map format with the end desired substance(s) to the right, detailing various reactions leading up to the end product complete with collected threads on the subjects.

for example

PhCHO synth --> PPA synth --> 4-MAR synth
\
Amp synth

To name just one.
What do you think?

IndoleAmine · Dreamreader Deluxe

I think the idea is more to create readable from-start-to-finish writeups for how to make substance c from substance a via intermediate b (for example), not so much to give a complete overview on what can be done with certain substances at all (for example, ever considered reducing PPA with RP/I? Not useful for 4-MAR synthesis, but still worth dreaming...)

So in your case, BzCHO->PPA->4-MAR and in other cases, it might be BzCHO->P2NP->P2P->(whatever Wink

) or anything alike.

Although a kind of encyclopedia about the different uses of various compounds could be interesting too....

i_a

IndoleAmine · Dreamreader Deluxe

for example a detailed writeup for something like this... Very Happy

(strictly hypothetic of course! Wink

)

i_a

java · Consumer

I think examples are abundant in the journals......which follow regular scientific method, i.e. premise, the theory behind and how it's been done, with references , and then the body of the premise with example synthesis which include amounts , conditions , foot notes of the reaction as to what was seen and what to expect, then explain each step with ref to methods ,. then conclusion of the example with yields in wt or molar.....then a summary of the synthesis and what was shown in the narrative and with the example (s) synthesis.......that should make the synthesis available to repeat by anyone..........java

2spun · The Resistor

Ok,

so far I can see that evey statment above has good to it.
Now speak'n for the hard head'd and the ones that have to read things a 100 times
and get hands on. as i am. i've read Dr.Drools, Brightstar, Strike and have goof'd up
because there was some on my end not understanding. IE DCM hell i did not know it was a heavy NP when i was use'd to NP flot'n up. in most case's that i've seen.
So i guess i'm say'n why not a combo of all W/ some pic's as well.(for the slo'r) but makes for nice glance'n.
Just my thoughts from one that don't have the Tec ability of comprehension but is work'n it. as we all start some where.
Much Thanks

icecool · Insistent Chemist

Here is a full write up of 2C-B.HCl

http://members.home.nl/phenyl/2C-B.pdf

If there is any interest I could also put up synthesis of amphetamine sulphate and Na-GHB

java · Consumer

icecool........ I reallyenjoyed your write up .......please do your amph and the Na-GHB as I'm sure theyre just as nice......you are encouraging SWIM to compliment your work with some of her/his own.......again very good documentation and pics for those that learn better with pictures.......such as myself.......java

Guest · Tue Sep 20, 2005 9:45 am

haha now if only swim could find some 2,5-dimethoxybenzaldehyde....I like the write up.

tilafast · Tue Sep 20, 2005 10:36 pm

I sing when I get happy.
I do what makes me happy. I like Ted Nugent and
I love Queen. I bought my first bag from Larry S. and he had
toys in the Attic going on while we hit his dads whiskey.
What is better. I came here for just this.
I'm sure you have done more but I feel this
and it is what makes me complete.

Fuck off

icecool · Insistent Chemist

Here you can find the GHB synthese:
http://members.home.nl/phenyl/GHB.pdf
And here the amphetamine sulphate synthese.
http://members.home.nl/phenyl/amphetamine%20synthese.pdf
This also includes making P2NP.
Hope to hear some feedback on the 2C-B, one comment from myself, steam distill it and don't extract it, first evaporate off the solvent up to 100*C until water is coming over THEN basify, and then steam distill it, the amine will come over together with the water at 98-99°C.
When the temperature hits 100°C leave it for 15minutes and then also basify the distillate to pH>14 then extract this with toluene, and dry it over Na2SO4 (MgSO4 reacts with amines) then distill the solvent off and brominate it and don't do it with DCM+Br2 but let first the DCM evaporate and then dissolve it in GAA...then add it to the 2C-H in GAA.

joe_aldehyde · huxleys associate

MgSO4 doesn't react with amines, who told you that??

Guest · Wed Sep 21, 2005 12:13 am

i've heard it as well, don't remember where. although many refs say that it is neutral, many also say that it is slightly acid and perhaps capable of absorbing a little base. no need to tell of the many non-mentions of this and the use of MgSO4 to dry bases, we know. this likely originated from a journal article somewhere.

icecool · Insistent Chemist

What should one do if he added 1ml of bromine insted of 1g of bromine...
Now one added 3g of bromine insted of 1g...
No crystals are forming yet...
He thinks he will put it in a RBF and put vacuum on it to get rid of some bromine, someone else posted on the internet he added 10g too much Br2 and nothing happened either (At least concerning the crystals) so he vacuumed the mixture and then after 2 minutes it turned yellow and full of crystals...
SWIM got 1ml of 2C-H from 10g 2,5-DMNS... and it immediately turned into a brown mass when it was taken out of the RBF and transfered into a measuring cilinder...
Dissolved in GAA and then added Br2 in GAA...