All right, there has been tons of talk about the need for a library, I've contributed little, unfortunately -- but there is good reason to that...
One serious issue that is much bigger than getting it to be an effective, useful, search-able, and dynamic library. This issue was copyright. It can't easily be hosted on this site's server, as copyright infringement will take this site down.
While thinking about what the front page might look like to this library, It hit me like a ton of bricks of one possible way to make it useful to all, but not risk the inconveniences of copyright.
A tor site.
Yes, just like the one talked about and shown in the thread about an anonymous auction site.
Read here: http://127.0.0.1/talk/index.php/topic,332.0.html
Here is how one is setup: http://www.torproject.org/docs/tor-hidden-service.html.en
Edit: This might also be useful: http://en.linuxreviews.org/HOWTO_setup_a_Tor-server -- and any other info on setting up a tor server would be appreciated as well.
Anyways, this would offer the following:
1. Anyone (with tor) can see the content of the site - no need to restrict it to just a few individuals
2. The material will not be found by way of Google or other search engines, so the server load would be only for "our" community -- That is, SM, WD, BL, Here, TZ, and the others..
3. Copyright infringement will not be an issue for our side, as no one will know who is hosting it, where it is being hosted, the IP, and also it will not even be found by the copyright law enforcement agencies to begin with!
What I would like to see, if a proper library ever comes into existence is that it is allowed to be copied, or that very extensive archives are produced -- in a sort of Plug & Play archive. By plug and play I mean the archive would not only contain the articles but also the MySQL and PHP database as well as all that is required to get the library running on another server - with a list of the needed programs, software, and if needed, what OS the server needs to be in order to get it to run.
Of course, if that were done, it would be important to change the password before and after archiving the site -- than give the default passwords (this means changed passwords to the login, the MySQL databases, and all other things -- no reason to slip up and let someone delete it all
)
The goal in doing this is that it will create the ability for anyone to host the site anywhere, even not by way of TOR -- than it is their problem to worry about copyright issues. Either way this will make valuable information archived, readily available, and able to be searched effectively. The information, if it is made so one can make backups shall never be lost again.
One Problem:
If one is to make it dynamic, the backups, and mirrors of the original site will not be up-to-date, or if the cloned websites are able to also be updated as is the original --- they will have different articles added to them, causing a set of different clones of the site with all slightly different content -- What is the solution to that?
I would like to believe this could be easily remedied by connecting something between ALL the servers to allow for them to be updated each time a new article is added. However, I have no idea how this might be done without running into some very very serious security issues, such as the need to reveal the IP of the servers to connect, or if they are linked together, removing articles from one might lead to loss of data by another -- so clearly permissions would need to be set --- another option is to modify the archives/backups so when new articles are uploaded, they are redirected to the main site, in which all the clones/archives are spawned from....
Either way, I think it is very important to make it so it can be backed up and still just as functional - you don't know what is going to happen to the person hosting it on there home server, if they make backups, etc. It would be awfully stupid to go through all of this trouble, and than have it all be gone one morning due to some unfortunate event.
I hope this will lead to some very interesting discussion, and help facilitate the creation of a library -- which I know is more the goals of others than it is mine, but I would like to help as much as I can (with in reason) and I thought this might be one way to go about it -- Please look into it.
I would be happy to setup a server.
Also -- I realize that there are a lot of tor nods that are looked at by the government, or at least so they say.. but I'm pretty sure whoever is listening isn't going to care about a copyright article, or know how to do something about it, at least!
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Also, and let me apologize in the begging for the next part of this post might just be insane and stupid, and fairly off-topic...
however, I'd disagree because I'm a big fan of symbolism, so I think this would be good to mention as I would like to carry on the bee, wasp, fish, etc type analogues onwards to the library - So here is my input on that subject:
My idea for the name of this library site is The Aranea
According to my sketchy sources, The Aranea means "The Spider's Web"
Why name it The Spider's Web?
Well, in my little imaginary world, spiders are very organized, and they link things together. This is somewhat symbolic of a library, especially this type, the articles will be search-able, organized, and hopefully linked together so it is never lost. Also -- generally spiders will remake (change) their web each day to prepare for the following day so it is more structurally sound, etc -- this could be symbolic for the dynamic library - since it will be updated, adding more articles, and getting stronger with more content.
.. but it gets much deeper than that -- Alright, so Waxworms, as has been discussed before is a parasitic moth larvae that lives in hives and wasp nests, eating wax, honey, bee/wasp larvae, that is the very things the nest is made out of - The people who enforce copyright law, which make us take down copyrighted material (thus, destroying (parts of ) our "nest") are fairly well represented in a metaphorical way as waxworms.
as mentioned above, waxworms are the larvae of a moth, moths are captured by spiderwebs, and are devoured. The Aranea would get rid of the copyright/waxworm problem.
I would like to hear your input on this, as it would be cool if I could add a book to the painting which is being planned to say something like "The Aranea - An abditorium for hiding or preserving articles of value"
Now -- onto the painting I am considering having be produced by the same artist who painted the frontpage picture.... It *might* look similar to the attached image, would that be a good picture for it? I am totally open to suggestion..
What may not be shown in the picture is that the "don't tread on me flag" would be the don't tread on me flag with the hive bee and its trail replacing the snake-- which I think is appropriate as it shows what the place is about, and the "don't tread on me flag" represents our mentality, in that we just want to be able to do want we want to do, and that we don't want people messing with us..
The book, on an angle.. would have a spiders web with a spider in it - probably a black-widow.
A wasp nest above in a corner to represent us, which would have wasps on it -- assuming The Vespiary can be of use to the making of the library. Perhaps somehow WD via a fish symbol could be added as well?
There would probably be older glassware, and perhaps maybe not the pig skull which died from a bullet to the head....as I'm not to sure that sends the right message if you look at it symbolically... perhaps a dog skull? either way, I am slightly interested in making a reference to animal farm by Orwell -- the dogs, and the pigs are both bad characters for the most part in the book... -- I have both skulls as well as many other skulls such as lizard, beaver, mountain lion, cat, and many bird skulls to choose from... scales, microscopes, you name it could also be added to the image, so please speak up... but... Anyways -- Lets try not to get very far off topic with the painting/picture - this thread is about an Onion/Tor Style library, Any suggestions on ways to improve this idea, or why it will not work, or other comments?
PS. Most of this is not me by any means! I've got most of the ideas by reading and talking to what No1uno, and Naf1, as well as others have said.
One serious issue that is much bigger than getting it to be an effective, useful, search-able, and dynamic library. This issue was copyright. It can't easily be hosted on this site's server, as copyright infringement will take this site down.
While thinking about what the front page might look like to this library, It hit me like a ton of bricks of one possible way to make it useful to all, but not risk the inconveniences of copyright.
A tor site.
Yes, just like the one talked about and shown in the thread about an anonymous auction site.
Read here: http://127.0.0.1/talk/index.php/topic,332.0.html
Here is how one is setup: http://www.torproject.org/docs/tor-hidden-service.html.en
Edit: This might also be useful: http://en.linuxreviews.org/HOWTO_setup_a_Tor-server -- and any other info on setting up a tor server would be appreciated as well.
Anyways, this would offer the following:
1. Anyone (with tor) can see the content of the site - no need to restrict it to just a few individuals
2. The material will not be found by way of Google or other search engines, so the server load would be only for "our" community -- That is, SM, WD, BL, Here, TZ, and the others..
3. Copyright infringement will not be an issue for our side, as no one will know who is hosting it, where it is being hosted, the IP, and also it will not even be found by the copyright law enforcement agencies to begin with!
What I would like to see, if a proper library ever comes into existence is that it is allowed to be copied, or that very extensive archives are produced -- in a sort of Plug & Play archive. By plug and play I mean the archive would not only contain the articles but also the MySQL and PHP database as well as all that is required to get the library running on another server - with a list of the needed programs, software, and if needed, what OS the server needs to be in order to get it to run.
Of course, if that were done, it would be important to change the password before and after archiving the site -- than give the default passwords (this means changed passwords to the login, the MySQL databases, and all other things -- no reason to slip up and let someone delete it all
)The goal in doing this is that it will create the ability for anyone to host the site anywhere, even not by way of TOR -- than it is their problem to worry about copyright issues. Either way this will make valuable information archived, readily available, and able to be searched effectively. The information, if it is made so one can make backups shall never be lost again.
One Problem:
If one is to make it dynamic, the backups, and mirrors of the original site will not be up-to-date, or if the cloned websites are able to also be updated as is the original --- they will have different articles added to them, causing a set of different clones of the site with all slightly different content -- What is the solution to that?
I would like to believe this could be easily remedied by connecting something between ALL the servers to allow for them to be updated each time a new article is added. However, I have no idea how this might be done without running into some very very serious security issues, such as the need to reveal the IP of the servers to connect, or if they are linked together, removing articles from one might lead to loss of data by another -- so clearly permissions would need to be set --- another option is to modify the archives/backups so when new articles are uploaded, they are redirected to the main site, in which all the clones/archives are spawned from....
Either way, I think it is very important to make it so it can be backed up and still just as functional - you don't know what is going to happen to the person hosting it on there home server, if they make backups, etc. It would be awfully stupid to go through all of this trouble, and than have it all be gone one morning due to some unfortunate event.
I hope this will lead to some very interesting discussion, and help facilitate the creation of a library -- which I know is more the goals of others than it is mine, but I would like to help as much as I can (with in reason) and I thought this might be one way to go about it -- Please look into it.
I would be happy to setup a server. Also -- I realize that there are a lot of tor nods that are looked at by the government, or at least so they say.. but I'm pretty sure whoever is listening isn't going to care about a copyright article, or know how to do something about it, at least!
--------------------------------Mostly Irrelevant--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Also, and let me apologize in the begging for the next part of this post might just be insane and stupid, and fairly off-topic...
however, I'd disagree because I'm a big fan of symbolism, so I think this would be good to mention as I would like to carry on the bee, wasp, fish, etc type analogues onwards to the library - So here is my input on that subject:
My idea for the name of this library site is The Aranea
According to my sketchy sources, The Aranea means "The Spider's Web"
Why name it The Spider's Web?
Well, in my little imaginary world, spiders are very organized, and they link things together. This is somewhat symbolic of a library, especially this type, the articles will be search-able, organized, and hopefully linked together so it is never lost. Also -- generally spiders will remake (change) their web each day to prepare for the following day so it is more structurally sound, etc -- this could be symbolic for the dynamic library - since it will be updated, adding more articles, and getting stronger with more content.
.. but it gets much deeper than that -- Alright, so Waxworms, as has been discussed before is a parasitic moth larvae that lives in hives and wasp nests, eating wax, honey, bee/wasp larvae, that is the very things the nest is made out of - The people who enforce copyright law, which make us take down copyrighted material (thus, destroying (parts of ) our "nest") are fairly well represented in a metaphorical way as waxworms.
as mentioned above, waxworms are the larvae of a moth, moths are captured by spiderwebs, and are devoured. The Aranea would get rid of the copyright/waxworm problem.
I would like to hear your input on this, as it would be cool if I could add a book to the painting which is being planned to say something like "The Aranea - An abditorium for hiding or preserving articles of value"
Now -- onto the painting I am considering having be produced by the same artist who painted the frontpage picture.... It *might* look similar to the attached image, would that be a good picture for it? I am totally open to suggestion..
What may not be shown in the picture is that the "don't tread on me flag" would be the don't tread on me flag with the hive bee and its trail replacing the snake-- which I think is appropriate as it shows what the place is about, and the "don't tread on me flag" represents our mentality, in that we just want to be able to do want we want to do, and that we don't want people messing with us..
The book, on an angle.. would have a spiders web with a spider in it - probably a black-widow.
A wasp nest above in a corner to represent us, which would have wasps on it -- assuming The Vespiary can be of use to the making of the library. Perhaps somehow WD via a fish symbol could be added as well?
There would probably be older glassware, and perhaps maybe not the pig skull which died from a bullet to the head....as I'm not to sure that sends the right message if you look at it symbolically... perhaps a dog skull? either way, I am slightly interested in making a reference to animal farm by Orwell -- the dogs, and the pigs are both bad characters for the most part in the book... -- I have both skulls as well as many other skulls such as lizard, beaver, mountain lion, cat, and many bird skulls to choose from... scales, microscopes, you name it could also be added to the image, so please speak up... but... Anyways -- Lets try not to get very far off topic with the painting/picture - this thread is about an Onion/Tor Style library, Any suggestions on ways to improve this idea, or why it will not work, or other comments?
PS. Most of this is not me by any means! I've got most of the ideas by reading and talking to what No1uno, and Naf1, as well as others have said.
