I found no specific thread on this substance so I decided to make it a thread.

For some this drug is almost nothing ,for others...whoa!

It helped me go over morphine addiction I earned in hospital and I noticed something else with this
drug unlike other opiate.

200-250mg is whole day eperience, makes me unbelievably sociable and talkative, speedy and just utterly happy.
Tramadol "trip" is pretty long and complex experience.
Ranging from euphoric happy and speedy at the beginning to the calm and relaxing, than utterly happy again and than
super satisfied and calm that melts into sleep that is more nodding than real sleep.
On other opiates you just go slow and nodding after initial euphoria.
I dontuse it more than once a month or so to avoid addiction.

What is your experience with this drug?!

I know it mangles in some ways with serotonin, but most drugs doo, but this one is pretty unique!

Why exactly?!
It has only minor side-efects like constipation and hard time pissing.

I think they gave me some when a dog bit off part of my lip and it wasn't as bad as opiates.  Opiates really make me feel sick.  But I didn't get high off it.  Could have just been feeling a bit bummed about the state of my lip and the idiots at the hospital who call themselves and ER. 

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Oh,sorry...I didn't realized that.

I thought it is interesting subject, since different people have drastically different
reaction on this substance. Opiate withdrawal is just one of it's benefits.

Feel free to combine this with mentioned thread.

Anyway, I find this substance to be something like "super-drug", like made just for myself.
It is great combination of upper and downer, effects are strong but totally controllable,
and you can function completely normal. It has special "magic" to it and lasts over 12h!
To make it even better it is very cheap and side-effects are slim to none if you don't doo it
too often.

This drug did nothing for me.

200 mg are GREAT stuff. I have difficulties to understand how people can not like it, but of course tastes are always different. Above that 200 mg light cramps were apparent especially in the legs. That provided an easy way to determine the upper limiting dose. I never went further.

200mg quick relase (dissolved in water) to 240mg(normal pills) is best dose for me.
Now after I dicovered Tramadol+Dimenhydrinate combo it's ball's to the wall awsome!!!

It's not about taste,no one cannot-like it! It probably doesn't work for other people that way.
But that's better in my opinoin,since it won't be abused and more controled too soon. :-)

Only!? For a stoning "trip"!? I envy you!
You must be midget or have very very lucky metabolism! :-)

It sounds like very complex acting supstance with multiple active metabolites that act on different receptors.
So my humble gess is that stuff is differently broken down in body of somebody who loves it and someone who hates it.

It even depends from one dose to another,speed of release and other things you take.

Smaller doses acts quite speedy and makes you socializable (noticeable antidepressant activity!)

Sometimes(when you take too large dose and/or slow release) it takes hours to kick in,and then acts
very shortly in the good euphoric manner and than rest of the experience is filled with extreme intolerance(even hate)
of touch and presence of other people,and sometimes it is just opposite!
But it is allways good to sit down,do nothing and listen some music.(very nice!)

In most cease and "perfect" dose is taken you are just numb(very desirable when you need to sit for 6-7h in one place),
everything you think about is just nice and perfect and you can choose to nod(quite trippy),but you can choose to be
are fully aware of surrounding and can act normally.
I discovered it solely for this purpose,since I need to endure long and uncomfortable travels every month or so.

Combination with Dimenhydrinate I "discovered" has no speedy effects at all,it acts like real deal opiate,
you go into perfect secure bubble and everything is foggy and distant around you,no thing can bother you!

All in all,it is quite fascinating stuff,there is some pattern but you newer know what you will get,like Harry Potter Bertie Bott's Jelly Beans :-)

well over at SM there is some discussion of using thiophenol anion hence the sodium salt to demethylate the compound a common high boiling thiol would be thioglycolic acid and it would'nt really matter that it is slightly zwtterionic because it would be done using it's base pair thiolate demethylations might be what the doctor ordered and if you look at the molecule another thing that could be done would be to esterify it with propionic anhydride that would make it more akin to the reversed esters of demerol possibly change it's pharcology a bit.
that would be a nice research chemical because it's not an analoge of CI or CII hence not illegal and probably a lot safer that some of the other opiates so it could be sold without fear of reprecussions like fatal overdoses which can bring the wrath of the government upon one's pate.
one of the reasons you don't see "research opiates" being sold is because opiates are among the most controlled drugs worldwide because of thier potential for fatalities which is'nt a sustainable business practice.
unless you have a license.