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Cleaning Glassware
« on: April 06, 2009, 01:57:43 AM »
Normally I can clean  most glassware by use of solvent, acid, base, the dishwasher, or some common cleaners. I however have a bunch of glassware with horrible iron oxide stains on them, I also have a beaker that has some bizarre lead compound - the oxides, or carbonates I believe.
I've tried to clean these out with vinegar, hydrochloric and phosphoric acid and of course soap, and all that jazz mentioned above. The beaker with lead compounds stuck in it, I even desperately tried using EDTA with a few different things. I have had no luck how do you think I could clean these pieces of glassware?
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Re: Cleaning Glassware
« Reply #1 on: April 06, 2009, 02:15:15 AM »
Worst case scenario you can always find something sharp to wedge into the flask and scrape it off but I know it's extremely hard to do all that.

Hmmm, I think there's a special kind of acid used in labs just to clean glass by the name pirhana's acid or something from H2SO4. Not sure.

Usually I go: cold water, hot water, hot water + soap, strong base, strong acid, nonpolar solvent, scraping.

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Re: Cleaning Glassware
« Reply #2 on: April 06, 2009, 02:29:46 AM »
Not even scraping seems to work all that well though, I'll work more on it but maybe I will just have to live with it. Sure looks junky.
Yeah I think piranha acid is used mostly for organic compounds, isn't it a mixture of chromates or something like that?
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Re: Cleaning Glassware
« Reply #3 on: April 06, 2009, 02:44:04 AM »
no idea. that really sucks. I hate when I scotch my flasks. Luckily, I've never had them get burnt *that* bad. I usually just have horrible luck with my flasks getting sealed shut and end up breaking them in the process of getting them unstuck.

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Re: Cleaning Glassware
« Reply #4 on: April 06, 2009, 03:07:26 AM »
For that try heating them gently around the outside, using a solvent that will dissolve whatever it may be that are holding them together, or a lubricant. I've had S2Cl2 in flasks and it sealed together with the weird ass sulfur that seems to form form the chloride, and I was able to get them separated with using those methods.
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Re: Cleaning Glassware
« Reply #5 on: April 06, 2009, 01:53:16 PM »

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Re: Cleaning Glassware
« Reply #6 on: April 06, 2009, 05:46:22 PM »
I agree with Enkidu here and a powerful oxidizer/acid would be the way to go but if you dont have access to these then try some clean sand. It may take a while but a slurry of sand and some time swirling and shaking can get burnt crude off pretty well. It beats the alternative of jamming rods into your glassware and risking damage. Sand+acid or sand + solvent would work if you can specify what is stuck in there.

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Re: Cleaning Glassware
« Reply #7 on: April 07, 2009, 12:29:27 AM »
Oh the sand idea is wonderful! I'll mix it with some stuff and see how that turns out. Thanks for that idea!
I'd try those acids suggested by Enkidu, but boy that the opportunity cost of using those chemicals would be to great for a clean piece of glassware.
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Re: Cleaning Glassware
« Reply #8 on: April 07, 2009, 04:25:41 PM »
Aqua regia is easily prepared from KNO3 (stump remover) and HCl (muratic acid).

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Re: Cleaning Glassware
« Reply #9 on: April 08, 2009, 02:13:24 AM »
Aqua regia is easily prepared from KNO3 (stump remover) and HCl (muratic acid).

Are you sure? Doesn't seem like that would work very well at all. I know ammonium nitrate works to some degree but nothing like the HNO3 + HCl.
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Re: Cleaning Glassware
« Reply #10 on: April 08, 2009, 03:27:01 AM »
It works, Iv done it on a number of occasions. KNO3 + HCl --> NaCl + HNO3.  Excess HCl and your good to go. A better option would be to bubble the HCl into a solution of KNO3 for a more concentrated solution.
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Re: Cleaning Glassware
« Reply #11 on: April 08, 2009, 11:43:40 PM »
Well, I could just mix ammonium nitrate, some sulfuric acid, and some hydrochloric acid with out it being a big deal at all for me. I think I will mix up some of that, and mix it with a decent amount of sand to swirl around with.. if it isn't to moist it should still spin around just fine I'd think. What exactly do you mean by a slurry of sand?
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Re: Cleaning Glassware
« Reply #12 on: April 09, 2009, 12:26:48 AM »
Just a layer of H2O over the sand. it dont have to be dry make it so when you swirl the water and make a whirlpool all the sand grinds against the sides. Just try it out how ever you wont be dissapointed. A drop of dish soap dont hurt either but you would have to make damn sure the soap is gone after or youll fuck up reactions down the line.
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Re: Cleaning Glassware
« Reply #13 on: April 09, 2009, 08:04:27 PM »
all right cool. I know what you mean with soap! It is amazing how such a small amount of soap can make so many stable bubbles!
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Re: Cleaning Glassware
« Reply #14 on: April 09, 2009, 08:56:41 PM »
I just got done cleaning my glass with sand for the first time and it's godly.

Fill the glass 1/4-1/5 full of dry sand and shake the hell outta it.

Works absolutely fantastic.  ;D

...not to mention sand baths in general kick ass over oil baths. No smell, no evaporation, better heat control.

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Re: Cleaning Glassware
« Reply #15 on: April 09, 2009, 09:20:28 PM »
Good thing I live right by a sand pit! :D I got 5 gallon bucket of it for free. I tried to use sand for a heat bath and it didn't work at all.

Why does it work well for you? My sand is essentially beach sand. Think I need smaller particles? I was going to use Plaster of Paris next time instead of an oil bath to see if that works.
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Re: Cleaning Glassware
« Reply #16 on: April 09, 2009, 09:37:46 PM »
That's weird. It should work. I just sit a metal pot on my hotplate/stirrer with the pot filled with sand and put about and inch of sand on the bottom, then surround the rest of the flask with sand up til about the half-full point of the flask.


This might help...

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Re: Cleaning Glassware
« Reply #17 on: April 09, 2009, 09:40:46 PM »
That is about what I did. I'll try it again next time I guess, maybe my stove was malfunctioning when I did it first. After all, that stove did stop working recently.
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Re: Cleaning Glassware
« Reply #18 on: April 10, 2009, 03:00:49 AM »
"Good thing I live right by a sand pit!  I got 5 gallon bucket of it for free. I tried to use sand for a heat bath and it didn't work at all. "

LOL yeh where Im at I have 5 sand pits withing 1-2000 ft from my house compleatly surrounded. Thats what you get for having the best sand in the world around you house.

But thats how I learned to clean glass with it. Im glad you liked it poison. I know its always worked great for me but it would suck if yall where cooking up some ungodly concreate that the sand wouldnt handle and makeme look a fool ;D. Iv seen it handle some tough shit before like trying to distill the phosphoric acid from navel jelly(What...... it was there!!!) anyway dont attempt that in your good flask lemme tell ya. It can get really nasty and turn into a black burnt glass, thats how I learned to use sand.

@poision   You get that pic I sent over at SciMad? that shit was brown as a turd before I fixed it.
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Re: Cleaning Glassware
« Reply #19 on: April 10, 2009, 03:10:15 AM »
Yep, that's insane. It's so ridiculously simple I love it. I sent you a reply too by the way.

I'll probably clean my H2SO4 up tonight from it's light yellow color if I get around to it.

Maybe I'll post some pics to compare my Rooto to your Lightning.

Fun, fun.  :)