i've never registered over there and i've read a few of their threads b/c they only have a few interesting threads - none of which really have any substance IMHO.  i was under the impression that they arose from the ashes of totse as well but i'm not really sure.  all i can say is that i never noticed them until their mdma for dummies thread which i stumbled across from doing random google searches.  i didn't appreciate the helional thread over there at all, the only reason i have a problem with it is like you said... they allow search engines to crawl their forum so anything you post there is exposed wide open to google, etc.  i'm all for the sharing of information but amongst the community, not across search engines.  i'm far from being a knowledgeable individual on these matters but browsing their input over there reminds me of reading the newbee forum except with less useful information.

My summary of Zoklet:
example 1

Lets keep this quiet, as in dont post this anywhere else, it's invaluable.

That quote is taken from the first paragraph of the "h*******" thread.

.........which is the 2nd Google hit when searching just the word
example 2
Too dumb to steal stuff on your own? THEY HAVE GODDAMNED SHOPLIFTING "TEKS."

Seriously now, the site has an entire section of instructions on how to shoplift??
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Sooooooooooooo basically, even a lot of the ones who "seem to know what theyre doing" have no idea that they are posting for the entire world to see.  Here's how you know you've found a knowledgeable poster on Zoklet: following their username/avatar (i.e. looking for more of their posts) leads to another more reputable forum....and you go back and realize they haven't posted anything to Zok in over a year. Not to impugn the knowledgeable posters there (a few do exist), theyre not all bad.  I think the ones who stick around are kind of like the classic "eccentric professor" in your local community college chem dept. and they stay at Zoklet because it has basically no rules at all when compared to fora like this one or SciMad. That and maybe they think the awful noise-signal ratio is helping them hide in plain sight?

It is also my oppinion that skimming some of the "better" threads (to use the term loosely) in the flasks n beakers section can be both fun and beneficial to members of this community for two reasons:

1. You can get an extremely excellent work-out for your bullshit meter (im not trying to make a joke here, bear with me), as most of the young posters have ZERO clue but post alot, and the "old" posters are completely sick of responding to the same questions again and again that they almost always respond with heavily veiled sarcasm, and there're a lot of 'chemistry jokes' that get made expressly because most of that forum's readers wont understand.

2. Kind of in the same vein as the "chem jokes" ....but the whole damn site can be like an awesome chemistry situational comedy at times. (well really just "flasks and beakers," but Im too a'scared to look around the rest of the site much without my mommy with me to hold my hand and protects me from greasy strangers )

Here's one of my favorites, scroll down and start reading at post #100 or #101 (ps - pretty sure "d0nnar" is their forum slang for "boner," should save readers a bit of confusion ):
http://www.zoklet.net/bbs/showthread.php?t=5048&page=3

Sedit your post captures basically exactly how I feel about that place.

"everything that is wrong in underground chemistry"

Yes, it is places like zoklet that breed half assed "chemists" and general drug for profit or highs producers. All the stuff I have read based on a visit a while ago and a quick look right now just to see if it improved, well it is bullshit, speculative or recycled ideas and information. All I think when I look at such a place is that they are doing it for the wrong reason.

The Wrong Reason.

Why is there even a chemistry section on such a board?  Boggles my mind but then again I can see how it happens.

It is such a privilege to conduct chemistry, and even more so of a privilege to create substances that act in such a profound way on the brain. There are some that should not be in it at all and I look at zoklet and it seems like they are all there with no genuinely good reason.
We don't need the quickest way to ghb, MDMA for dummies, fuck off.
If someone with a brain wants to make the stuff, there is so much information it is not even funny.
Fuck off zoklet 

I'm not sure if I should be ashamed of posessing a account at Zoklet...
They do post some useful gems from long time to long time and a few high quality members do exist.
The amount of shit is alarmingly hight there though.

It is a good site in my eyes. I believe it acts like a k3wl-sink. Imagine where all those people might be, if it were not for that site?

hahahahah i guess youre right, kewl-sink I love it.  Kind of like WD being a shakeandbaker-sink

Whats there to understand.  Its like this place in many ways. Just the tweaker factor is more. And like this place its a place to share ideas,fears and dreams. 

Because your not a tweaker. Thats a good thing. Some people have different motives. Some want to learn, some only want a quick and easy route to dirty speed to buy there harley.

yeah that may be true... But with some work, some DREAMERS eyes might be opened to other things. And all in all its about having a place to speak your mind and keep on fighting the good fight... Spreading and publishing information to try and educate. Like most sites are..

Zoklet is a festering sewer and an absolute disservice to the entire underground chemistry community.

That isn't to say that there aren't good people there - there are. However, just by reading thread after thread, you get the impression that almost nobody has ever completed a clandestine reaction, and of those who have, they were likely proficient long before they joined that forum.

Allowing Google to index is an atrocious behavior.

Seriously, acquisition is hard enough already. Do we really need potentially useful reagents showing up on page one of Google for being mentioned on drug sites? To be fair, though, Rhodium mirrors are also being indexed, which is equally bad. SM is also guilty to some degree, but at least there they try to keep the hot discussion to a minimum by veiling it somewhat.

For example, I'd love to order some trimethyl phosphate. It isn't listed nor is it on the SSL. However, should an order clerk consult Google for its uses, result four goes straight to Erowid - like hell am I going to order 500g of the stuff now.

Zoklet blew the lid wide open on xxxxxxx, which also isn't good.

I'm all for making information available, but in this community, we have to focus on a purpose. The purpose of making that information available is to liberate responsible individuals from government and social tyranny. Zoklet doesn't do that. Zoklet spoon feeds "drug cook" instructions to a bunch of armchair chemists whose purpose there is to fantasize about what life would be like if they were the big bad Tony Montana of drug synthesis.

The few real chemists there didn't need that forum to do it.

Heaven forbid some k3wl idiot get popped with a bit of glassware and precursors, and the cops find a cluster of Zoklet bookmarks. The dumbasses we have for journalists would be all over that in short order, bringing even more attention to something best left hidden and swept under the rug.

Zoklet seems to be little more than a highly efficient way to fantasize about reactions never conducted while at the same time pumping up Google with lots more drug cookery.


As for WD, never been there, and registration is closed. Whatever faults may or may not be present are at least not all over Google.

Zoklet is a festering sewer and an absolute disservice to the entire underground chemistry community.

It's a drug chat forum, maybe you should lower your expectations a bit. If you really hate it just don't visit it.

However, should an order clerk consult Google for its uses, result four goes straight to Erowid - like hell am I going to order 500g of the stuff now.

Buck up and get a p.o. box.

The dumbasses we have for journalists would be all over that in short order, bringing even more attention to something best left hidden and swept under the rug.

Any media attention will spread the cause. Remember when this aired http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bxk8tRBp1mU 1000's of new members joined.

Zoklet seems to be little more than a highly efficient way to fantasize about reactions never conducted while at the same time pumping up Google with lots more drug cookery.

It's also introducing a lot of young minds to the world of chemistry and (hopefully safe) drug use.