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Re: Returning the magic of MDMA
« Reply #40 on: May 01, 2011, 03:15:15 PM »
In many cases these guys are making it for themselves.

It seems reactions to MDA are highly varied among people, which is strange since the effects of MDMA seem really consistent between nearly all people. It (MDA, self-synthed) was for me just like many have reported: somatic effects very similar to MDMA, but lacked 90% of the empathy/bliss feelings and was more like a body high with a few visual enhancements. It's quite possible I didn't take enough (I kept it to about 110 mg as I recall, maybe that was a wimpy dose but I was concerned about the greater neurotoxicity at the time).

I think the simple but unpopular answer to how to return the magic of MDMA is to leave it and all PEAs and drugs harder than cannabis alone for a long time---a year or two if necessary! In the meantime doing everything one can to restore the health of one's neurochemistry... nutrition, drug abstinence, etc.
« Last Edit: May 01, 2011, 03:21:19 PM by Methyl Man »
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Re: Returning the magic of MDMA
« Reply #41 on: May 01, 2011, 03:52:34 PM »
Bardo,I can't choose,piracetam is noly thing available here and I can get it for free.(perscription)
Of course it messes with "delicate balance of neuro-hormones",that is just a smart way to say it works!
Every drug and alchoholic drink does the same!

I decided to take 2400-3200mg of piracetam per day for 2-3 weeks before trying MDMA again
and than I will report back. Bolth abstinence and suplements help a lot!

LOL I liked how you described feeling of the high doses,"paralyzed by bliss"!
That is exactly how I feel on big doses of MDMA. This state reminds me on opiates,
everybody thinks you are feeling sick but you just make some funny/duisturbing posture and
enjoying every second more than they can ever understand.
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Re: Returning the magic of MDMA
« Reply #42 on: May 01, 2011, 07:31:46 PM »
^^^ Many US retailers will ship overseas with additional shipping. I would try below. They have by far the best brain supplements I have found. I have my eye on Synaptine Ultra.

http://www.cerebralhealth.com/brainhealthsupplements.php
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Re: Returning the magic of MDMA
« Reply #43 on: May 01, 2011, 08:07:20 PM »
I just splurged out and bought some Piracetam. It was pretty cheap but they pulled the old trick and charged a huge amount for the postage. I have some major exams coming up, so hopefully they make a difference. I'll let you know how it goes!

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Re: Returning the magic of MDMA
« Reply #44 on: May 01, 2011, 08:14:25 PM »
Make sure to add choline in your regimen as well, otherwise the piracetam won't feel nearly as effective, and you'll probably end up with bad headaches.

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Re: Returning the magic of MDMA
« Reply #45 on: May 01, 2011, 08:16:50 PM »
Ok, I'll look into it. I'm just not interested in pumping my head full with a big range of chemicals. Its safer to keep it the adjustments of brain chemistry to a minimum!

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Re: Returning the magic of MDMA
« Reply #46 on: May 01, 2011, 09:07:44 PM »
It's next to impossible to legaly import meds and suplements here.
Some 5-HTP would be nice though...
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Re: Returning the magic of MDMA
« Reply #47 on: May 01, 2011, 10:33:40 PM »
Ok, I'll look into it. I'm just not interested in pumping my head full with a big range of chemicals. Its safer to keep it the adjustments of brain chemistry to a minimum!

Albert Hofmann was a great promoter of low sub-psychedelic doses of LSD for mental clarity.... I have no website for that though :)

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Re: Returning the magic of MDMA
« Reply #48 on: May 02, 2011, 03:17:41 AM »
Ok, I'll look into it. I'm just not interested in pumping my head full with a big range of chemicals. Its safer to keep it the adjustments of brain chemistry to a minimum!

You might want to study how piracetam changes brain chemistry before using it, too.

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Re: Returning the magic of MDMA
« Reply #49 on: May 08, 2011, 07:27:36 PM »
Piracetam works!
OK,experience wasn't as good as the first time but after effects were.
It lasted longer but effects started faster and there were few glimpse of first few time experience.
Maybe 10-20% lower doses were needed,comedown was much more gentle and
day after was much better than usual,very relaxed and clear.I recommend it.

UPDATE:
Something amazing happened!
Today,two days after piracetam+MDMA experiment I FULLY experienced "magic".
It's hard to describe,there were no other effects and it lasted 5-10min.
Nothing else but that amazing feeling of something new and wonderfull like first few times on MDMA.

I was on medium doses of tramadol+antihistamines at the time and listening same music I listened
first few times on MDMA.
There is definitely autosuggestion involved,but I am so happy that I experienced it again!
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Re: Returning the magic of MDMA
« Reply #50 on: July 05, 2011, 06:26:19 PM »
I used to shoot a point with my dope every morning when I was a junkie. I had a ridiculous tolerance to the stuff. There was no magic for me, just something to wake me up since the first thing I did every morning was to shoot a few bags of tar I needed that stimulant to level shit out. I'd shoot it by it's self a lot too. I've done monstrous shots that most people think should have killed me, but I live.....

I haven't touched the stuff in quite a while. Next time I do it I expect magicalness dammit!
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Re: Returning the magic of MDMA
« Reply #51 on: July 10, 2011, 07:56:35 PM »

There is definitely autosuggestion involved,but I am so happy that I experienced it again!

This supports my suggestion earlier in this thread about it not so much being a case of the MDMA losing its magic but the person losing the newness of the experience. Getting stuck in a routine of same ol same ol will without a doubt make MDMA feel relatively worthless. It appears to be an enhancer of already available good feelings. I have been pissed on MDMA before and it was a horrible experience. It stemmed from the empathy that MDMA gives one and the ability to read others. I read something about my girlfriend and another person that I did not want to know. All the MDMA in the world is not going to make an unhappy person happy. You must provide yourself with the proper stimuli for the MDMA to enhance. Its not going to generate the stimuli for you.

Which brings me to a point, combinations of drugs may be the way to go in order to provide magic of MDMA by giving some new stimuli to an old feeling enough to generate that first time experience all over again.

Tryptamines seem to work rather well when in combination with MDMA. I know its kind of like speaking in circles but perhaps there is a toxicity associated with MDMA that is damaging the Serotonin receptors meaning some other source of stimulation for the 5HT needs to be provide since MDMA can not fill that role anymore.
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Re: Returning the magic of MDMA
« Reply #52 on: July 10, 2011, 09:22:54 PM »
I've read that folks who usually do MDMA at home in loving surroundings may regain the magic at a rave with the music and lights and some indication the reverse may even be true, perhaps even different neural pathways being activated in different settings.  Anyone with any relevant experience?

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Re: Returning the magic of MDMA
« Reply #53 on: July 15, 2011, 11:40:22 PM »
I love the magic of mdma, I take it once or twice a year, and I don't binge on it. It stays magical. I intentionally limit my intake due to its toxicity, which makes it special too. Call me anal

There is a youtube video of mdma freebase being added to a medium where you can see neurons (or whichever cell excretes the dopa chemicals) literally exploding because their pore /duct /membrane was unable to transfer the chem to the outside of their cell fast enough.

Now.. RE: Tyrosine...

I have been reading that tyrosine makes mdma actually More bio-toxic... this is a bit conflicting as you guys speak of Tyrosine as a potentiator via the 5-HT system, right?
Now, whether or not this statement is true, or even from a toxicologist's point of view -

"Erowid MDMA Vault : MDMA & Antioxidants
Both L-Tyrosine and DLPA are dopamine precursors. Dopamine has been implicated in MDMA neurotoxicity and there are some concerns that they may do more harm ..."

But there are more details available here:
www.jneurosci.org/content/26/1/290.full.pdf
jop.sagepub.com/content/24/2/267.abstract
researchresources.bumc.bu.edu/abstract/1R01DA019486-01A1.htm
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Re: Returning the magic of MDMA
« Reply #54 on: July 15, 2011, 11:54:10 PM »
"There is a youtube video of mdma freebase being added to a medium where you can see neurons literally exploding because their pore /duct /membrane was unable to transfer the chem to the outside of their cell fast enough."

Please can you prrovide some info ? Where on youtube ? In what concentrations ? What animals ?

Youtube is not exactly a reliable source of information so can you tell us exactly who did the experiment ? 

We cant realy comment on things like that untill the video and the sources have been checked .

My antenna are vibrateing just from that  sentance . .

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Re: Returning the magic of MDMA
« Reply #55 on: July 16, 2011, 12:48:59 AM »
amphetamine laced mdma really burns your brain out because of this dopamine release.
i don't think elevated dopamine is what you want when you take mdma.
as a side note i did try taking prozac 4-6 hours after dosing mdma and there was no burnout whatsoever sort of validating the dopamine neurotoxicity hypothesis.
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Re: Returning the magic of MDMA
« Reply #56 on: September 04, 2011, 03:17:28 PM »
I've resorted to taking mdma only twice a year as well, just as Piglet mentioned.

I got really tired of the next day fatigue, headache, and not getting "back to normal" for a couple days.

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I take around 10 Nature's bounty burpless fish oil mercury free tablets each morning (have had blood work done x 3 times a year), I was able to lower my Cholesterol over 150 points to bring it back to normal, was able to lower triglycerides about 200 points....my doctor was super impressed, my diet remained the same, only the addition of fish oil every day made me feel not only depression free and have lots of energy every day, but improved my blood profile way for the better.

I recently discovered the research chemical psychedelic 25i-NBOme, have tried it at 350ug, 450, and 550ug, I find it gives a psychedelic and empathogenic trip combined, very visual, very joyful and euphoric, has the highest affinity for 5-HT2A and 5-HT2C of any psychedelic discovered, my top favorite right next to acid.

Believe it or not, but taking this chemical 25i-nbome at 550ug had me re-living the "magic" of my 1st mdma trip, I was blown away by the mental euphoria and extreme empathy I experienced, very unique RC discovered by a scientist in Berlin then later studied by Nichols with paper published on it.

The problem I had with E is that I liked the effects so much, and never wanted them to end, that by night's end I would have consumed about 300mg in total, for a much worse hangover.

25i-nbome gives me the same empathogenic and euphoric trip without the serotonin & dopamine depletion, just an incredible substance, mescaline can also do that as well. When these two (25i-nbome and mescaline are "combined" together) you end up with an "acid like trip" that is 100% indistinguishable from acid, acid had always been my favorite....the trip is also "physically" pleasurable (unlike acid) because the mescaline gives you pleasure rushes up and down your arms and body from head to toe if you have not taken it in a while, the most beautiful psychedelic substance a human can have. Water feels so good poured on your skin with mescaline as well.
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Re: Returning the magic of MDMA
« Reply #57 on: January 13, 2012, 07:58:20 PM »
I have personally found Piracetam increases sensitivity to much smaller doses of mdma.

I have limited my own use of 50mg+ of mdma to once or twice a year. However, a few mg every now and again is great for mental alertness and functioning, as well as an anti-depressant.
Recently, I have found best effects when consumed completely mutually exclusively with any other psychotropic (alcohol,tobacc,amphetamine,etc), in every scenario.

These are my own findings.
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Re: Returning the magic of MDMA
« Reply #58 on: January 14, 2012, 05:28:06 AM »
that mescaline reminds me of the tactile qualities of mda.