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Methyl Man

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Explain one thing about *Some Company*
« on: April 25, 2011, 05:41:12 PM »
It's in Canada, so let's say the seller is in Canada and the buyer is in the US. The buyer is having what they buy shipped internationally.

Now, I do understand that *Some Company* is a referral service that pairs buyer with seller privately, so that's about as private as it gets, and much better than something like eBay. But what I don't get it is, when Mr. Smith in Canada sells Mr. Jones in the US a three-neck flat bottom 24/40 flask, that info goes through US customs, so doesn't that create a record with the US that Mr. Jones has imported a three-neck flat bottom 24/40 flask? If so, isn't that just as bad as (worse than?) the risk of a site like eBay deciding to narc out customers who buy glass through them?
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Re: Explain one thing about *Some Company*
« Reply #1 on: April 25, 2011, 10:16:48 PM »
Easy solution, don't buy glassware from over the border. There are other places than eBay to buy glassware with no problems, probably cheaper too. Keep searching.

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Re: Explain one thing about *Some Company*
« Reply #2 on: April 26, 2011, 01:07:16 AM »
I apologize Vesp, if mentioning the name was bad. :(  I'm really not that dense, I swear.  I saw others had mentioned them in other posts, more than once, so I thought they in particular were okay to mention because they are a referrer not a seller (like eBay... yet apparently it's not a faux pas to mention eBay?  ???).  I guess I just won't mention any name of any company under any circumstances (except eBay).

Thanks pyramid, but, well, that's the thing... I know (at least everyone says) eBay is a bad bet, and it's good to know this, but how does one know who is okay? Do we assume anyone that isn't on eBay is okay? That seems too broad... maybe someone could please PM me with a recommendation, because they all look the same to me if I don't know who's "cool." Since we can't mention names to let each other know who is safe and who isn't, I guess it has to be done in PMs?

Of course I can search for and find glass companies in the US all day long, but how do I know which ones are the ones who really respect their customers' privacy, and which aren't? That's what it really comes down to, but no lab glass manufacturer website that I've ever seen makes a point to mention customer privacy...

And I'm still very curious about the answer to my original question, even if I don't ever buy anything from Canada.

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Re: Explain one thing about *Some Company*
« Reply #3 on: April 26, 2011, 01:57:25 AM »
Yes, customs creates a database record of just about everything.

That record is kept around indefinitely.

Absent sweeping privacy reform, you can assume that technology is improving at such a pace that your records of everything you do will greatly outlive you. We are in an age where having humans work on retention reduction is more expensive than throwing more hardware at an expanding database....and you're talking about a wasteful government contract here. They're going to throw the most money at the best hardware a campaign contributor can sell.

There is so much data there, though. It is a ton of noise.

If you aren't ordering something restricted, listed, on notification, or inherently suspicious in a high-level way, then you probably don't have to worry about a visit.

As I posted in another thread, the big threat of customs is the database they can go back and look at aggregate quantities and other materials.

If you're caught with glassware, they already know you have glassware. Not much to gain from mining the customs records.

If you're caught with one bottle of sassy, they could go back and see the other few shipped in, as well as that bitter almond oil nobody knew about. Aggregation of quantities could make you a higher degree of fucked.

As for glassware, if they preemptively checked out glassware sales, customs would be doing nothing else.

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Re: Explain one thing about *Some Company*
« Reply #4 on: April 26, 2011, 03:58:17 AM »
Thanks PE. I guess I was looking at it all roughly the same way. I just wouldn't want to buy glass from a domestic company and blunder into a situation where I just flat pick the wrong place. I'll keep looking and also try to get a recommendation or two at the same time.

The only things I've ever bought from other countries were both 10 or 11 years ago---one was a used vac pump and the other, a 3kg pail of oil.  So I guess my aggregate picture regarding importation isn't too bad overall.

Anyway, I just remembered my policy of not buying used lab glass. At least not for major pieces like the one I'm dreaming of right now (a 2L FB 3-neck heavy wall flask).
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Re: Explain one thing about *Some Company*
« Reply #5 on: June 01, 2011, 05:54:21 PM »
Really it depends on what the company writes on the customs form. If they write 24/40 three neck flask 22L thats not so good. However, if they write "glass" or "sample" that is no big deal. Alot of legitimate companies that sell boring products to international customers scribble illegibly on customs forms and there stuff gets through fine.

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Re: Explain one thing about *Some Company*
« Reply #6 on: June 04, 2011, 01:23:14 AM »
Unless you are in Texas I don't see the problem of ordering glassware as long as it's under 22L.

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Re: Explain one thing about *Some Company*
« Reply #7 on: June 04, 2011, 02:18:17 AM »
^Well that's not the case. A lot of companies will report you for ordering simple things. I know people who have gotten their house searched for ordering a 24/40 distillation set up. It depends on the company as to whether or not you will be reported and get your pad flipped. You want to look for smaller companies. I always stick with US companies, have never ran into problems where as I have had my stuff broken and just gotten all around crappy thin stuff from other countries.

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Re: Explain one thing about *Some Company*
« Reply #8 on: June 04, 2011, 02:48:27 AM »
^^^ I have never understood this mailing to your address no matter how safe it is anyways. I mean for god's sake a mail box rental costs less then $20 a month and you can get just a 3 month rental if you want.

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Re: Explain one thing about *Some Company*
« Reply #9 on: June 04, 2011, 03:38:09 AM »
Most places won't ship to boxes, even the smaller companies. There are a few places that will provide an actual street address as your po address though (UPS store does this). It'll cost a bit more than $20 to get everything set up right, unless you want the box under your name or a friends which is just as bad as having it sent to your house in my opinion. A good fake goes for around $150 and than you also need a secondary which is another $50-100. Well worth it. But your right, I'd never have anything sent to a place I was operating at, just a strait up bad idea.

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Re: Explain one thing about *Some Company*
« Reply #10 on: June 04, 2011, 04:30:28 AM »
Fractal, putting Texas aside for a moment, I think this comes down largely to individual states and their political climates. I've ordered a lot of little things to my house over a long period (years)---a flask here, a beaker there, a mantle there... never with any problems but I think that may have a lot to do with the reputation this state has for people fighting for civil rights. In other words I think cops are conditioned here to know they need more than a hunch to get a warrant because if they're wrong their department gets sued. My feeling is that if one were instead in, say Arizona or Idaho or a bunch of others I can think of, it would be way more risky. It's bullshit to openly offer something to the general public on e*ay or anywhere else on the net and then when someone buys it, get a warrant and bust them based solely on the fact that they bought it. What's the probable cause for the warrant? "John Doe bought a distillation kit judge, therefore we suspect he is making drugs"? Does that really fly in other states? Man... it doesn't fly here, I believe judges are a little more careful than that, they need to see some more cause for suspicion. Based on this logic, anyone who buys a Bic lighter or gasoline could have a warrant sworn out against them for suspected arson.

What I'm having trouble getting my head around is that there wouldn't be a big risk in using a fake to get a PO box. I haven't checked, but I would bet that in this post-9/11 world that that is a BIG time felony, since it involves federal postal regulations. Sure, most PO box shops will probably just photocopy it as per routine and rent you the box, but what gnaws at me is how do I know for sure that after I leave they don't submit the ID info to Homeland Stupidity or whoever? Maybe there's a requirement that they do that, maybe it started last year and I don't even know about it...? That would be a massive blunder.  That's the part that bugs me. Sure we know the ID itself will pass the visual, but it won't stand up for one second to a database search, obviously. If it gets run, I'm caught red-handed and I won't even know they know until it's too late. Yeah they don't know where to find me, but did I leave a print on the application? Or on the box? Gotta make sure not to. In this sense I feel like the ID thing is much more risk than ordering some glass because in ordering the glass one hasn't actually broken any laws, but if/when they find that the ID is fake, they've got you nailed on that. Am I just way over the top or what? I've been thinking about doing this for a while, but I'm stuck at this part.
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Re: Explain one thing about *Some Company*
« Reply #11 on: June 04, 2011, 05:45:50 AM »
All mail boxes, even ups ones that look like private addresses must send a copy of your ID to homeland security these days...

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Re: Explain one thing about *Some Company*
« Reply #12 on: June 04, 2011, 05:47:47 AM »
And getting a suspicious item mailed is 100x worse if its going to a fake name, this establishes intent... whereas if the cops took note of a chem order going to your house in your real name you could explain it away. 

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Re: Explain one thing about *Some Company*
« Reply #13 on: June 04, 2011, 03:03:02 PM »
That's exactly what I'm saying. If the chem/glass isn't illegal in any way to possess, there isn't any crime, only some cop's "hunch." I would hope that most cops blow off hunches in favor of concrete situations where they have informants, evidence, that kind of thing. Unless it's a state where the judges are exceedingly corrupt and will sign off on warrants for any kind of bullshit hunch---a situation I realize does exist, I just don't think it exists where I am for the most part, thank Buddha.  :-\

So then the next question that hits my mind is:  let's say someone has done this and has a PO box under a fake ID (two actually) and copies of those have been sent to the feds as you suggest they are. Now the feds have the info that the PO box at such-and-such address was opened under a fake ID. What do they do with that info? Wouldn't they, at the very least, get back to the PO box shop and instruct them to change the lock on the box? That would be consistent with their (the feds') mindset:  "He could be a terr'ist and could import some WMD in a box." They can't legally recruit the PO box shop owner to help them in their investigation, but they could ask for a little help and who is going to say no? (well I would, but I'm kind of unusual.)

My gut tells me that the way they might play it instead would be to inform the box shop owner and tell/ask him to log all the packages that are coming to that box (they probably do this anyway), but still put them in... maybe even open them, inspect and reseal (though a fed would do this, not the shop owner) and to be sure to save surveillance video of the store so they could look at images of whoever came and got the contents of the box.

On the other hand, that is a lot of investigative time and resources expended for what is essentially a provable case only of using a false ID in violation of postal regs (at first, anyway). That's the other side of the coin.
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Re: Explain one thing about *Some Company*
« Reply #14 on: June 04, 2011, 04:08:13 PM »
Your wrong here OU. I know they don't do this from my personal experience and the experience of 150 or so other people who post about doing the same thing. Boxes are good until either a pack goes missing or it runs out. I've had friends tell me they're receiving multiple large packages of contraband in a month doing this even recently and they are fine. If the government knows what's up they sure are being nice about shit to EVERYONE I talk to who does this. You do know that you don't even need a state ID to open a box right? They also take corporate and college IDs as long as they have a pic (USPS, UPS, & every other place I've been to). So your telling me they have a record of every student ID from every CC in the country for immediate reference? The fact that they except corporate IDs makes that concept even funnier. They just keep a photocopy on record. I'm telling you this works and it also would give you a better chance to know for sure that the pack hasn't been compromised. You could watch it get delivered and who delivers it. Leave it sitting there for months at the UPS store. You can also avoid the whole ID charge by having a friend/s set up boxes using fakes. You could just say a girl you recently started fucking asked you to check her box, her name is whatever the ID you got her said it is. Still better than having a L of sass & kilo of sodium cyanoborohydride sent to the pad or your friends pad or a box in your name. Yeah on the glass it's pretty messed up. It has never happened to me so can't really say how they got the warrant. I'd also say they'd need more evidence. Stuff is starting to get pretty messed up now a days though.
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Re: Explain one thing about *Some Company*
« Reply #15 on: June 04, 2011, 08:43:44 PM »
Wow, I definitely had assumed one of the IDs had to be state-issued. That does change the picture quite significantly! It removes the #1 concern I had. Thanks for clearing that up, fractal.

I find this whole subject fascinating to say the least.

Do you think it would look weird to give a corporate ID and a college ID as the two IDs? "Yeah I'm in school and I work for a corporation too," ha ha. I just don't like the idea of a fake state DL or ID, it's just too easy to check out. I know you say it isn't done, but I'd sleep a lot better using other types. Is any other type accepted besides DL/state ID/college/corporate?

edit: answered it myself by looking at usps.com:

In order to start using your new PO Box, you need to go to the Post Office where your box is located to pick up your keys (or combination number) and present your printed PO Box Application form (PS Form 1093), a copy of your emailed receipt, and two forms of acceptable identification. One form of ID must contain a photograph. Your ID must be current, contain sufficient information to confirm that you are who you claim to be, and be traceable to you.

Note: Social Security cards, credit cards, and birth certificates are not acceptable IDs.

Acceptable Photo IDs:

   Valid driver’s license or state non-driver’s identification card
   Armed forces, government, university, or recognized corporate identification card
   Passport, alien registration card, or certificate of naturalization

Acceptable Non-Photo IDs:

   Current lease, mortgage, or deed of trust
   Voter or vehicle registration card
   Home or vehicle insurance policy


Looking at those lists, it's not clear to me whether or not you're only allowed to take one from each line. Notice that only the university card and corporate card are non-government (photo) IDs. So the question is, can you use two non-gov't IDs as the two IDs.
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Re: Explain one thing about *Some Company*
« Reply #16 on: June 04, 2011, 09:33:58 PM »
There's a bunch of new age thinking along the lines of creating what you think of or give energy to.  I've been giving it some thought and there's a lot of truth to it - the more you try to use subterfuge the more you increase your chances of being caught.  Remember in Eleusis story what got him was the package he didn't try to claim - his knowledge of his guilt got him in trouble.  Cops are looking for something suspicious so don't do anything suspicious.

The hard part is if you are strange to start with they can be suspicious for the wrong reasons.

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Re: Explain one thing about *Some Company*
« Reply #17 on: June 04, 2011, 10:17:11 PM »
fractal - do you know exactly what they mean by this?:

Your ID must...  contain sufficient information to confirm that you are who you claim to be, and be traceable to you.


Whatever it means, it obviously isn't enough to stop a fake from working. I just wonder what they mean, since it isn't enough.
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Re: Explain one thing about *Some Company*
« Reply #18 on: June 05, 2011, 08:50:04 AM »
"The hard part is if you are strange to start with they can be suspicious for the wrong reasons."

Very true .......................................................................i womder why my ears are itching ?

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Re: Explain one thing about *Some Company*
« Reply #19 on: June 06, 2011, 06:40:08 PM »
Not sure but I know they take any of the IDs listed. The secondary usually establishes residence and for most places they require one from the first list and one from the second list. You can print up a fake rental agreement free as long as you know who owns the address you add to your ID, By that I mean just sign their name on it and use a drop number as their number with someone ready to answer. People online also offer fake insurance cards too,you could even print your own, need someone to answer the call though. I know people who've given them to the police and they've worked. I've never had them call the drop but it's good to be prepared.