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Re: What are you growing this year?
« Reply #60 on: May 10, 2010, 08:33:38 PM »
It was sort of a joke. Probably should have been in "I am a jackass" italics. Heh.

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Pereskiopsis aquosa (Tuna de Agua, Pitaya de Agua, Tasajillo)
Pereskiopsis autumnalis see: Pereskia lychnidiflora
Pereskiopsis blakeana (Coconostle)
Pereskiopsis brandegeei see: Pereskiopsis porteri (Alcájer, Xoconoxtle)
Pereskiopsis chapistle see: Pereskiopsis rotundifolia (Chapistle)
Pereskiopsis deguetii (Alfilerillo, Tasajillo, Cola del Diablo)
Pereskiopsis diguetii see: Pereskiopsis deguetii (Alfilerillo, Tasajillo, Cola del Diablo)
Pereskiopsis gatesii
Pereskiopsis kellermanii (Cola Lagarto)
Pereskiopsis opuntiaeflora see: Pereskia lychnidiflora
Pereskiopsis pititache see: Pereskia lychnidiflora
Pereskiopsis porteri (Alcájer, Xoconoxtle)
Pereskiopsis rotundifolia (Chapistle)
Pereskiopsis spathulata (Patilón)
Pereskiopsis velutina see: Pereskiopsis deguetii (Alfilerillo, Tasajillo, Cola del Diablo)

Think Pereskiopsis spathulata isn't big enough? Well, others on that list grow fast, huge, with leaves and all. Why aren't other people doing it already? Evidently the plants are weeds and the mexicans eat and make drinks from the fruit. The plants are very close to prickly pear. Now to try and find the monsters!

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Re: What are you growing this year?
« Reply #61 on: May 10, 2010, 11:44:30 PM »
Know anyone from mexico? It would be nice to talk to them and acquire some from them if they are better then the commonly used P plant -- of course, not by the use of this site.

Niacin -- Not niacinamide, but niacin is a good vasodilator, isn't it? It at least causing flushing, and histamine release and rumors of it being used to abort LSD trips.
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Re: What are you growing this year?
« Reply #62 on: May 11, 2010, 12:36:56 AM »
  "Niacin -- Not niacinamide, but niacin is a good vasodilator, isn't it?"

  matey i think they are one and the same-sort of... :P- vitamin B3 =niacin=nicotinic acid=>nicotinamide

  fuckin naming gets me sometimes!!! ???

Nicotinamide, also known as niacinamide and nicotinic acid amide, is the amide of nicotinic acid (vitamin B3 / niacin). Nicotinamide is a water-soluble vitamin and is part of the vitamin B group. Nicotinic acid, also known as niacin, is converted to nicotinamide in vivo, and, though the two are identical in their vitamin functions, nicotinamide does not have the same pharmacologic and toxic effects of niacin, which occur incidental to niacin's conversion. Thus nicotinamide does not reduce cholesterol or cause flushing,[1]  although nicotinamide may be toxic to the liver at doses exceeding 3 g/day for adults.[2]  In cells, niacin is incorporated into nicotinamide adenine dinucleotide (NAD) and nicotinamide adenine dinucleotide phosphate (NADP), although the pathways for nicotinamide and nicotinic acid are very similar. NAD+ and NADP+ are coenzymes in a wide variety of enzymatic oxidation-reduction  reactions.[3 Wiki......
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Re: What are you growing this year?
« Reply #63 on: May 11, 2010, 01:55:00 AM »
Right, but one causes a flushing, while the other does not. So it acts differently, and also has fairly different pharmacological activity. Niacinamide acts as the Anti-resveratrol and turns off SRT1 and causes you to age faster -- at least in concept/theory.
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Re: What are you growing this year?
« Reply #64 on: May 11, 2010, 03:36:33 PM »
Its St.Anthony's fire, elmo's fire is an electrostatic discharge sometimes seen on ships.

From the order of St Anthony, monks who specialised in treating ergot poisoning victims.
I think when its up and growing, I'l get hold of some L-arginine, unless anybody can suggest other OTC (or OTC-ish) vasodilators, just in case the fit hits the shan, wouldn't like to have to explain to my doctor why I have ergot poisoning.

After I posted the question I looked it up and apparently it's harvested by humans so hmmm don't know exactly how dangerous it is - maybe it's like safrole causes cancer and the "msds for water" dangerous.  There's a lot of damage done by overkill in safety talk cause you can't tell what is REALLY dangerous.   You can have a lot of fun with us wet behind the ears types using MSDS's.  

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Re: What are you growing this year?
« Reply #65 on: May 11, 2010, 04:17:49 PM »
I very much imagine it would be considerably easier to absorb a dangerous dose of assorted ergot alkaloids from a submerged culture than via artificially inducing the parasitic lifestyle in cultivated rye, the sclerotia themselves appear reasonably safe to handle, but grams of alkaloids per liter of festering culture medium all in solution, theres the potential for exposure to a few ml resulting in absorption of a fair but unknown dose of assorted ergoloids.

Now I don't know about the rest of you but I live in a city, woefully, and I do not have a farm to plant a few damn acres of rye and go ergot farming, so its submerged culture in bubble column reactors or shit all for this particular bent biochemist.

Has to be a lot friendlier though than say, working with anhydrous NH3, cyanides, chromyl chloride, organometallics, azides, hydrazine etc, any of which have the potential to take the face off an unwary chemist or cause fatal poisoning.

At least its not a case of 'hey, what went wro..arrgh shit, hey jesus, what the hell am I doing falling towards a lifetime supply of SO3 and SO2.......' one has time to administer an antidote by the time symptoms may be noticed and vasoconstriction is easily reversed.

RE safrole, I think it IS likely to be a carcinogen, its certainly highly likely to be a strong hepatotoxin, due its forming a very reactive epoxide in vivo which of course has nothing else to react with, but one's precious flesh and blood.
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Re: What are you growing this year?
« Reply #66 on: June 25, 2010, 09:49:58 AM »
Hey Vesp,

I have been trying to get the P. Auritum to germinate but am having no success. Did you grow from seed or cuttings? any tips? Has anyone else had success growing from seed?


On safrole:

I am not so sure safrole is a carcinogen in man. The toxicity studies show that it does induce liver neoplasms in rats but I have yet to see this dose dependant relationship shown for man. It is absent with dog models. . 1,2-dihydroxy-4-allylbenzene is the primary metabolite in rat and man (though it appears this is reached via different pathways) and I am not sure how much would be converted to the epoxide as it should be eliminated fairly quickly from the body.

The metabolite of concern is 1-hydroxy-4-allylbenzene which is found in the excretions of the rat but not in man so there is a good likelihood that we do not metabolize safrole to a carcinogenic metabolite.As far as I know the EU are planning to list all oils as carcinogenic in the future so that will be a list as long as it is meaningless and gives you idea of what it takes to be classed as a carcinogen or even more likely a potential carcinogen. I would rate this of low concern.


Reference for safrole metabolism: I do not have the full journal access atm.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6TCN-4772JTB-9R&_user=103680&_coverDate=02%2F28%2F1977&_rdoc=9&_fmt=high&_orig=browse&_srch=doc-info(%23toc%235175%231977%23999929998%23363678%23FLP%23display%23Volume)&_cdi=5175&_sort=d&_docanchor=&view=c&_ct=14&_acct=C000007922&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=103680&md5=ab1d3903532ac980b4b3f731e8b08b4a
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Re: What are you growing this year?
« Reply #67 on: June 25, 2010, 10:03:02 AM »
I never obtained P. Auritum.  So sorry I cannot help you there.
Perhaps you can scratch the shell of the seeds, to allow moisture to get in? I know many seeds often need to be scored (or whatever it is called) before they will germinate at any decent rate -- but you could just give them time - I know Sida Cordifolia will take forever to germinate.
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Re: What are you growing this year?
« Reply #68 on: June 25, 2010, 10:36:29 AM »
Damn I could have sworn you had listed it as what you were growing...

The seeds are tiny (<1mm dia) s0 scoring would be difficult but rubbing on sandpaper may work. Perhaps I can get some GA and treat them it works with some species to increase germination. (belladonna sp.)

Maybe I'm being too impatient. I think I will also try flooding the seeds its said that it likes water.

If anyone else has got this to germinate from seed please do wade in. If I have any luck I will post results.
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Re: What are you growing this year?
« Reply #69 on: June 26, 2010, 12:15:45 AM »
Damn I could have sworn you had listed it as what you were growing...

The seeds are tiny (<1mm dia) s0 scoring would be difficult but rubbing on sandpaper may work. Perhaps I can get some GA and treat them it works with some species to increase germination. (belladonna sp.)

Maybe I'm being too impatient. I think I will also try flooding the seeds its said that it likes water.

If anyone else has got this to germinate from seed please do wade in. If I have any luck I will post results.

@embezzler.... I thought Vesp had said he had Piper Auritum as well. I posted in this thread a month ago or so and had just found some at a local nursery. My money was funny and I just asked the lady if I could just have a few cuttings and she obliged. I got a few with a little of the root systems still attached and a few cuttings. The ones with roots have three to four lilly pad sized leaves and the other cuttings are moving a little slower but have sustained themselves. Maybe you can look where you found the seeds and get a few cuttings as well. Stuff grows really fast and is worth a few bucks if you really like mole'.
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Re: What are you growing this year?
« Reply #70 on: June 26, 2010, 09:47:24 PM »
This year i have growing pereskiopsis spatulas and peyote/ san petrdo cacti.
Im goin to do some Graftin with them. I have belladonna and henbane in a full growht.
Last year i grow poppys ,syrian rye, Jimsson weed and khat but khat died.
I lived in rowhouse with an own yard and there was nice to grow poppys in a backyard ;D but now i live in apartment building and it´s a limited space to grow enything. I was in a rent in my dream house and my landlady sell the house somebody! now i live in shit hole in concrete hell!!! Now i cant grow enything but few plants!!! i hate my apartment!! >:(
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Re: What are you growing this year?
« Reply #71 on: June 26, 2010, 10:35:43 PM »
And I do some tissue culture (micropropagation) experiment and i was a successful. ;D Now i have 20-30psc, babyfood jars full of clones of salvia and pereskiopsis. Next i try to grow roots of them. Then i move them in balcony to grow. I put peyote seeds too but i forgot to put sugar in the growingmedia. now the germinated seedling dont grow.  :( But now i know something from TISSUE CULTURE and next i try clone something cool.
Do everyone have suggestion??? :-\
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Re: What are you growing this year?
« Reply #72 on: June 26, 2010, 10:38:51 PM »
And I do some tissue culture (micropropagation) experiment and i was a successful. ;D Now i have 20-30psc, babyfood jars full of clones of salvia and pereskiopsis. Next i try to grow roots of them. Then i move them in balcony to grow. I put peyote seeds too but i forgot to put sugar in the growingmedia. now the germinated seedling dont grow.  :( But now i know something from TISSUE CULTURE and next i try clone something cool.
Do everyone have suggestion??? :-\
Oh man, if you could please do a tutorial, or make a thread on how you've went on about it, in detail on micropropagation/tissue culture, I would be forever thankful! That is something that I am very interested in, and I am sure others are as well. Amazing work for being successful at it!
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Re: What are you growing this year?
« Reply #73 on: June 27, 2010, 04:02:49 PM »
Okay. I try to do tutorial/thread of tissue culture, but now im busy. I promise to do in a few weeks. "My english not good" :( so i think it gonna take a few momets to do it. :-\
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Re: What are you growing this year?
« Reply #74 on: June 27, 2010, 05:13:11 PM »
How did you germinate the belladonna and khat, I have seeds of both, the belladonna from a plant I found in fruit, but I have had zero success growing either.

What kind of soil/sand mix does khat like, and how does one germinate either?
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Re: What are you growing this year?
« Reply #75 on: June 29, 2010, 08:49:27 PM »
I put the both plant seeds in the little 25cm *30cm green house. there was a 15pcs of peatpots or what they called? little square ones. I mix cactus soil(sand like soil) and vermiculite 60-40. I put the seeds about 0,5-1cm under surface.  Dip the pots in water on 5 minutes and drip the acces water off and then seal in the little greenhouse. I have a succeed. In a ten khat seeds the seven germinated. i was surpriced because so many grow. :D But later i kill the all. When my khats was 15-20cm high they suddenly died. :( I dont know what happend? I do the same whit belladonna but i put the seed 0,3-0,5 under surface. If i member correctly belladonna can germinate 150 days before turn in to a seedlings. My belladonna take 2-3 month and ten seeds i have three plants in one died. i hope this help you but i think i have a luck in the process. So i think, Not the best way???  :-\
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Re: What are you growing this year?
« Reply #76 on: June 30, 2010, 12:56:35 PM »
@drone1240 Unfortunately I got the seeds over the net so the local supplier idea is out the window in that case. Im going to try with the seeds again and maybe use some vermiculite to keep the moisture up and place them in the incubator. Hopefully they will sprout
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Re: What are you growing this year?
« Reply #77 on: June 30, 2010, 05:46:28 PM »
I hope they do to embezzler but if they don't I copy/pasted from fleabay. A nice specimen cost five dollars plus handling. I will never do any thing with mine except enjoy them as ground cover. i took another wasp' advice and got some just to chew a leaf and smell what safrole actually smells like. 
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Re: What are you growing this year?
« Reply #78 on: July 03, 2010, 07:31:43 AM »
All right.
So I am building (OK not yet, I cleared my yard out to prepare for building) a PVC pipe greenhouse, for as cheap as I possibly can. I have a pretty good plan, and it has been discussed.
I am going to use 20ft length PVC to form the arch, which will be fairly low -- at most, 4 feet tall? It is also going to be 20 feet long. The plastic isn't much, and will obviously cover the whole thing.

My interest in doing this is to grow plants for a profit -- No, not what you just thought, but things such as cacti, datura, ribbon grass, tobacco of various species, and some other flowery plants for a small "yard sale" type nursery-- I've always wanted to start a business and since I want a greenhouse for no really apparent reason, I guess this is a product of two desires?

Anyways, I'd like some suggestions on what other possible plants I could grow, and if you have any advice on how to get them, and get them started. What ones, ALL legal of course, do you think would make some good money?

I am planning this for next spring of course, but if I can I want to get some of the perennial plants started such as prickly pear cacti...etc



 
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Re: What are you growing this year?
« Reply #79 on: July 03, 2010, 10:15:28 AM »
I want to say theres a market of decent size in exotic flowers and such.

http://www.kaleialoha.com/store/cart.cgi?action=search&category=Specialty%20/%20Species

Other than trees I'd think flowers of a rare variety fetch the most money relative to work(Couldn't actually say).  Just be sure your greenhouse located in a tropic region.