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Re: BZP
« Reply #20 on: July 26, 2009, 06:04:18 PM »
Hmmm. BZP is popular here as an extacy substitute, and I often notice guys hurting themselves while taking it. Has it some anger or depression causing effect with alcohol? One guy went psycho and started punching a brick wall repeatedly, broke his knuckles AND kept punching. Took about four of us to restrain the nut and get him to casualty. Another guy tried to cut open his wrists with a rock but ended up unconscious when someone smacked him with a bottle. It appears to be rather unpleasant stuff.

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Being involved with a number of dealers, I notice that drugs are cut with the strangest of things. One type of hash, a knock off of the popular 'squidgey black' contains actual motor oil in small amounts, and fucking SOAP. This gives it a 'melt in hand' consistency, and the added vanilla essence tries to mask the taste. The so called 'IRA Hash' contains peat from a bog! Its quite funny to see people smoking THAT in a pipe.

 I work now with a grower of weed, and notice that he never cuts his shit. He sells at half the normal price, and its VERY high quality. I have half a gram in my pocket, about to smoke it to see if its as good as I hear. He sells on a 'try before you buy' basis, and the lowest price. Its rather funny, cannabis grows like a weed. We spread some seed broadcast, and half em sprout!

He is moving on to making other psychotropics with my assistance in figuring out 'how to do em' and he is adamant that his pills will NEVER be cut. Just pure psychotropic, and a binder (MCC). I find this rare here.

Another dealer is found to cut his 40% purity heroin down to 20% with brown sugar and food dye. The addicts think its just their tolerance increasing. When some high purity hero (80%) hit the market, the addicts who were used to using 40% ended up in ER from a load of OD's and quite a few died. Dealers rapidly cut that shit to stop their customers dying.

Often MDMA is mixed with aspirin or other OTC analgesics or even flour, etc before its pressed. Hash is oft cut with fiberglass. I find this disgusting, as its the users who pay, and the experimenter who likes to sample it often becomes ill.

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« Reply #21 on: July 26, 2009, 07:40:21 PM »
Thats the reason IMHO sites like this should exist and be spread far and wide because the more the consumer knows the less chances there are of the greedy and ignorent being able to rip people off and poison them.
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« Reply #22 on: July 28, 2009, 08:06:57 PM »
Thats the reason I try to keep my friends from trying street pills.  There are some sick people out there.  Just imagine how many people could be poisoned with a pound of raw castor beans.  Worst part is, death from ricin doesn't occur until 72hr post ingestion, so the chance of finding the person who created the adulterated tablet is quite low.  Fortunately, things like MDMA, 2-CB, etc, take a decent bit of intelligence and discipline to successfully create, unlike the psuedo dehydroxylation to meth.  I'd like to think that the intelligence and respect for human life go hand in hand, and usually that is true.

The morality of drug sales shouldn't be as much of an issue as the morality of creating a substance of utmost purity - there is no 'grey area' as far as I'm concerned with that.  Sacrificing product for purity should also never be a "choice", it should be an absolute.

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« Reply #23 on: July 29, 2009, 04:34:25 PM »
Contaminating a load of street pills with something 'nasty' like Ricin is an idea I once considered while devising a scheme for 'the perfect murder' however the chance of collateral damage is VERY high, BUT... That can mask the true motive and be benificial. However what if you end up ingesting a contaminated pill way down the line?

A pound of castor beans made into Ricin to contaminate ones drug supply could end up being a good method of offing someone, however contaminating heroin with fenantyl is a MUCH better idea as it would look merely like an accidental OD :)

Yep I have an evil mind, however I prefer my produce to be top quality, unadultrated.

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« Reply #24 on: August 02, 2009, 05:56:14 PM »
Hahaha yeah.  I'd even be worried of the intended target not even receiving the contaminated drug - all of it just kills innocent people.  Still a bad idea, but the fentanyl idea is much better.  IIRC, it is more toxic than HCN.  However, why waste fentanyl killing people when you could cut it down to 1% or less (with acceptable cutting agents) and sell it as really really good heroin hahaha.

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« Reply #25 on: August 02, 2009, 07:16:01 PM »
OD them on PMA, or maybe one could just press a pill containing 200mg of DOB or something. Either of those could reasonably look like a mistake.

Although I've always thought that filling a toilet tank with H2SO4, and the bowl with NaCN is the coolest way.
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Re: BZP
« Reply #26 on: August 02, 2009, 09:28:09 PM »
There are a lot of ways to kill people, but lets stay on topic. I don't know how much I like discussion of killing people on this forum. The topics are already on questionable content.
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« Reply #27 on: August 03, 2009, 12:14:09 AM »
I guess we can go to the toxicology section to discuss toxic methods of removing bipedal pests, right?

Oh, a new RS is being built for all our humicidal needs :D

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« Reply #28 on: August 03, 2009, 12:33:15 AM »
Due to the nature of this forum as Vesp already stated we bring enough of the wrong attention to our forum. The last thing we need is the discussion of how to commit a homicide as well because if the methods posted where to ever be used it could spell trouble and bring much unwanted attention to the administration of this site.

The idea that BZP has already been used in combination with other drugs to expire people has caused it to get a bad rap even though its full potential has not yet been realized, compounds the situation. Best to just stick to the topic at hand and discuss the synthesis and effects of BZP.
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« Reply #29 on: August 03, 2009, 02:53:31 PM »
Interesting topic. I've never really heard anyone talk of BZP in a positive light.

It is nearly always "sorta like 'dirty' speed but way too many sides".

I'd be interested in reading whether anybody actually likes this stuff.

The only reason I believe it is even "popular" is because it was seen as more active way to trick people than cutting pills with substances such as caffeine.

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« Reply #30 on: August 03, 2009, 10:29:43 PM »
IIRC BZP is some form of vetinary drug for worming! Is this correct? If so... I have an oul scam on hand.

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« Reply #31 on: August 03, 2009, 10:46:38 PM »
Its possible I guess but highly unlikely. Chances are what you heard is that the starting material for BZP is a form of dewormer but this can also be had over the counter as the disulfate salt.
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« Reply #32 on: August 24, 2009, 08:05:11 PM »
The dewormer is just piperazine, not the benzyl variety.
I just found a source for it :)

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« Reply #33 on: August 24, 2009, 08:52:36 PM »
the most recent microram has a good section on the all the BZP fake pills out there.  They all look to be coming from the same source based on the color/texture/shapes and content.


I wouldn't buy any pills these days....




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« Reply #34 on: August 24, 2009, 09:01:49 PM »
I seen that as well V16. I agree as much as I wouldn't mind giving BZP a whirl for experimental reasons I would be pissed if I received BZP as MDMA. There is always dancesafe before you buy anything from your area to make sure your getting what people say. I have always found this a reliable place to go before making any purchase of anykind as its great to know what your getting and if its what they say it is.
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« Reply #35 on: August 26, 2009, 12:48:24 PM »

Piperazines as CB1 antagonist.

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After the CB1 receptor antagonist SR141716 (rimonabant) was previously reported to modulate food intake, CB1 antagonism has been considered as a new therapeutic target for the treatment of obesity. Several series of urea, carbamate, amide, sulfonamide and oxalamide derivatives based on 1-benzhydrylpiperazine scaffold were synthesized and tested for CB1 receptor binding affinity. The SAR studies to optimize the CB1 binding affinity led to the potent urea derivatives. After the additional SAR studies to optimize the substituents of diphenyl rings, the combination of 2-chlorophenyl and 4-chlorophenyl turned out to be the most potent scaffold. The CB2 binding affinity assay as well as functional assay was also conducted on these compounds. Herein we wish to introduce several novel CB1 antagonists with IC(50) values less than 100 nM for the CB1 receptor binding.

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« Reply #36 on: August 22, 2010, 02:35:37 PM »
What if someone was to take alpha-bromopropiophenone and stick some piperazine to it instad of that bromine.
I already tried to find some references to it on the internet, but found NONE.

Would the substance be psichoactive?
How would we call it?
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« Reply #37 on: August 22, 2010, 03:00:59 PM »
Vesp, I wouldn't bother with benzylpiperazine, also, meta-chlorophenylpiperazine, MDO-BZP, 2,5-diMeO-BZP, its all shit, utter, feculent, sloppy, reeking heap of ordure, the entire class of piperazine derived stimulants.

You have a choice of either adrenergic crap, by way of BZP, or adrenergic 5HT2c agonist anxiogenic, nausea creating migraine inducing crap by way of PFPP, MCPP etc.

There are some interesting drugs based on the skeleton, though, now I have my glassware back, I'm getting to work ASAP on some sunifiram, (1-benzyl-4-propionylpiperazine), a highly potent AMPAkine, should be helpful for my memory issues, and all those nootropic enthusiasts should shit their britches for the chance to bag a gram or two here and there, active dose should be no more than a couple of milligrams, which considering the phosphate salt of piperazine cost me 3 GBP or so for 8g (plus 12-14mg sennoside laxative per 4g and a bit of flavouring), thats going to be worth a few bob.

And there are some delta-opioid agonists based on a diphenylmethylpiperazinyl backbone too.

Save the piperazine for stuff like that, BZP is evil stuff, had it once, and never again.
The only GOOD thing I can say about it, are A-I only had a small dose, B-it didn't mug me in the street, rape my family or burn my house down in the night, and C-it wasn't MPTP.

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Re: BZP
« Reply #38 on: August 22, 2010, 10:41:34 PM »
What if someone was to take alpha-bromopropiophenone and stick some piperazine to it instad of that bromine.
I already tried to find some references to it on the internet, but found NONE.

Would the substance be psichoactive?
How would we call it?

Care to explain how you would do that? It would be called 1-phenyl-2-(piperazin-1-yl)propan-1-one.

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« Reply #39 on: August 23, 2010, 12:06:17 AM »
It would be made in similair way, the BZP is made. (in theory though)
In theory instad of benzyl chloride, benzyl bromide could be used. (made from toluene + UVlight, since bromine is easier to measure and handle than chlorine)
Instad of benzyl chloride, alpha-bromopropiophenone would be used.
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