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Re: Vesp's Random Expirement Thread
« Reply #40 on: June 18, 2009, 09:31:17 PM »
Look around in your local yellow pages and see if you can find a ceramic supply store in your area. Theres more then likely atlest one or two. There  usualy so small you would not notice them. There you can buy MnO2 clean and many many other goodies so its worth a look. Hell I have heard of sulfate salts used for rakiu glazes so there is good odds you can just buy it clean there without the hassle of synthesising it from MnO2.

Basicly any Oxide, Nitrate, sulfate, chloride can be had from these places. Hell that even includes uranium salts if you really need that sort of thing. That may require a license though iv never tryed.
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Re: Vesp's Random Expirement Thread
« Reply #41 on: June 19, 2009, 12:14:22 AM »
So my plastic cable ties melted away in the solution, the ones used for stirring.. Hope the clear-white bucket is HDPE like all the other buckets that are completely white are in my house..
wtf why would the cable ties dissolve?
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« Reply #42 on: June 19, 2009, 02:56:48 AM »
WOW no shit  :o

Must have been oxidised by the concentrated H2SO4 I would think.

Take care with that bucket also like you said.
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« Reply #43 on: June 19, 2009, 06:58:40 AM »
the bucket is HDPE and I think it should be fine. The cable ties I have no idea what they were. but I figured since I added the water and H2SO4 together they got hot, and were able to react with the junbk.. It has cooled now and I believe only has 4 amps or so, I won't get to hot.   

I think it will be fine and if not, i have a garbage can full of kitty litter to spread around lol

either way it is nice to see even after adding twice as much acid I needed, adjusting the water, and then adding the Mn Sulfate it is nice to see it seems to work very well. I will just have to get more MnO2, find the best method for converting it all to MnSO4, and then add the correct amount. I'll probably perform a titration on it anyways using something that reacts with H2SO4 but not MnSO4 (.. hmm?)



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« Reply #44 on: June 20, 2009, 06:11:26 AM »
Why is the cathode solution that dark? Is it the color of the sulfuric used or the carbon comming off the rod? Mine has stayed clear for some time.
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« Reply #45 on: June 20, 2009, 06:35:32 AM »
I used junk sulfuric acid for it from drain cleaner.. figured it didn't matter since it wasn't going to mix.

Of course the stupid epoxy dissolved.. but eh I fixed the problem and it should work better then ever now. Not worried about yield etc anymore though. Seems to be carbon floating in it from various shit but its dark.
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« Reply #46 on: June 20, 2009, 06:47:47 AM »
No shit? My epoxy has been holding up pretty well.
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« Reply #47 on: June 20, 2009, 06:54:00 AM »
mine must have been a different type. Either way its had about all the problems that can go wrong with it.. so it shouldn't have anymore.
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« Reply #48 on: June 20, 2009, 07:01:10 AM »
 :D Ha thats what I thought about my latest experiment... Ill fill you in on that one some other time in some other place. I had a helper and his name was murphy. He has all kinds of laws and shit that I did not approve of. Little bastered fucked up every job I gavem, go figure.
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« Reply #49 on: June 20, 2009, 07:07:12 AM »
Yeah, oh well. That helps build critical thinking skills I guess haha
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« Reply #50 on: June 20, 2009, 07:17:11 AM »
Or criticaly high blood pressure levels.
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« Reply #51 on: June 20, 2009, 07:32:17 AM »
Hahaha yeah very true
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« Reply #52 on: June 21, 2009, 12:00:58 AM »
I thought about melting when I saw the cable ties...


I have used stainless steel pieces from hardware stores.  The will corrode too, but at least you tend to get a few runs.  There are stainless zip ties in the electric aisle at home depot.

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« Reply #53 on: June 21, 2009, 12:21:02 AM »
Yeah, I think they must have been made out of polylactic acid or something totally stupid like some sort of polysaccharides, who knows.

My solution is black, but when I add it to water it doesn't seem to have any pink colors? Perhaps the dissolved organics are destroying the reaction? I have read that decreases efficient a ton.
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« Reply #54 on: June 21, 2009, 01:39:13 AM »
Your solution is very black now?
Once its black thats what you want. The pink- purple colors pure off the anode and as the solution gets darker so does what poors off the anode until the whole solution is black. This is what happened correct?
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« Reply #55 on: June 21, 2009, 03:12:14 AM »
Well, when I add it to water it doesn't color it anything and it seems to leave insoluble black crap - which i figure is carbon from the stupid epoxy and cable ties.
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« Reply #56 on: July 01, 2009, 10:17:11 PM »
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In initial stages of manganism, neurological symptoms consist of reduced response speed, irritability, mood changes, and compulsive behaviors.[2] Upon protracted exposure symptoms are more prominent and resemble those of idiopathic Parkinson's disease, which it is often misdiagnosed as, although there are particular differences in both the symptoms (nature of tremors, for example), response to drugs such as levodopa, and affected portion of the basal ganglia. Symptoms are also similar to Lou Gehrig's disease and multiple sclerosis.

:D No wonder my response times sucked after breathing in those fumes, not to mention I was VERY irritated. I put it down to the SO2, CO3, CO, CO2, C, but not the MnO2, Mn2O7 or other Mn shite. What I did was mix some KMnO4 with 40ml of 98% H2SO4, and fuck in a teaspoon of sugar. It crackled like Rice Crispies on speed, make pops of flame, and gouts of HORRIBLE smoke and aeroborne particulates which made my voice sound like a death metal growl for the day. I got part of it on video!!! Will fuck it on YouTube soon.

Another experiment was mixing 30g KMnO4, 40ml H2SO4 and then dribbling in some lighter fluid. WHUMP. It burst into fire, as hopd. It was awesome AND I got it on cam.

My latest is getting hot water, supersaturating with the 50% NaClO3 weedkiller and fuckloads of KMnO4, then stuffing in a load of strips and sheets of newspaper. I allow to cool with agitation, and then hang the strips to dry. It makes a smoky fuse which makes epic smoke grenades, wont burn through little holes, but it sure ignites Blackpowder. Videos soon :)

Finally, on Al powder. I get me coffee grinder, lighter fuel or petrol, stuff in little squares of Al foil, grind in short bursts to coarse powder. Then I allow to dry and ball mill until its ready to rock and roll (500 mesh +). I often ball mill Mg ribbon with it to make a shitty version of MgAl. Works alright.

I also heated Iron Oxalate to het pyrophoric Fe and poured it around a small charge of AP in sealed, N2 filled vessel. Produced a BEAUTIFUL effect.

 Next up is getting a blender, installing spark plug in lid, and blending up flammable powders to make a cloud, then firing the spark.

The pyrophoric Ni sounds FUN. But Nickel Hydrazine Nitrate comes first!

WOW this summer is FUN!

Oh, a mix of 60% KMnO4, 35% Fe powder and 5% powder of match head (not my choice, a idiot mate gave me the comp so I HAD to test it. I use sulphur instead) makes a very hot incendiary. I ignite using KMnO4 and Sugar 50:50. Yep, 2kg KMnO4 that HAD to be used up cos it ws contaminated with SOMETHING.

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Re: Vesp's Random Expirement Thread
« Reply #57 on: July 02, 2009, 09:21:12 PM »
Boring :)
Not interested in the explosive parts of it all. Hex, you should make your own random experiment thread, that'd be pretty entertaining.
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« Reply #58 on: July 02, 2009, 10:05:41 PM »
Hahaha no problem. I shall start my own thread once I get back from my holiday to france - upon my return expect LOTS of 'hot chemistry'.

 You guys know how my experiments go by now. I get into my lab, spot the chemicals. Then I go absolutely MAD. Ever seen a 250ml long neck RBF shooting fire from it? Same with conical flasks. 

Sometimes though there is method to my madness. Like mixing up some Mn2O7 and dumping in some AP - to see WHAT HAPPENS. The results? Mangled glassware mostly!

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Re: Vesp's Random Expirement Thread
« Reply #59 on: July 14, 2009, 05:59:37 AM »
Damn it!

All right, so after the stupid plastic cable ties, the epoxy, and a few bugs and shit got mixed up in my Manganese sulfate, sulfuric acid, whatever cell, I have decided I need to concentrate the acid, and extract the MnSO4 again to do it over, and do it the right way....

So, how do I ago about getting this black liquid into white MnSO4 crystals, and moderately clear concetrated sulfuric acid.

The easiest would probably be filter the stuff,boil away the water, and hope MnSO4 precipitates. Boiling is a bit of an issue I think but I can probably handle it. I just don't want any nasty Mn compounds in the air to give me something similiar to Parkinson disease... also the mixture might be a bit bubbly and its a decent volume of junk.
Also would MnSO4 even come out of a solution of H2SO4? Bisulfates, etc might cause serious problems there...

I know uranium is extracted from a solution via an exotic solvent, think there is any literature on extracting Mn compounds this way? That would be nice...

Alternatively I guess I can do a titration on the H2SO4 present, and the MnSO4 present and figure out how much ammonium sulfate, and how much more MnSO4 I need to add to make things right again.

Either way, I need more MnSO4, and cleaning the mix is going to suck.



Edit: Instead of filtering, since filtering is the worst, perhaps I can oxidize the organic junks, even the carbon? with some nitric acid, and upon boiling lose the Nitrates due to the sulfuric acid being excess..

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